• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Disagree. Any form of “unlimited” time off gets heavy scrutiny. I’d rather have a generous PTO policy than an unlimited one.

    That said, it’s distopian that anyone needs to send proof of being sick. That’s a symptom of a really toxic work culture.

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      11 months ago

      Right. Those with unlimited PTO take off only what they need, and not the strict number they get. Those with a set amount end up finding time to take off. It’s why companies moved over to “unlimited”. That, and the fact they don’t need to pay out your vacation when you leave.

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        11 months ago

        No, they usually avoid taking time off even if they need it, because they get guilted into thinking it wouldn’t be approved or something, or that they’d be passed up for a promotion. Employers do it because it’s better for the company, not for the individual.

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      11 months ago

      Maybe I’ve been lucky but in 10+ years of unlimited sick time, I’ve never been questioned about sick days.

      Vacation time I think needs a minimum if you’re going to do unlimited, otherwise people aren’t sure what to take and may take less.

      The worst policy I ever worked under was “limited sick days. Unused sick days get paid out as a bonus at the end of the year”. So everyone came in sick to get that sweet two weeks pay at the end of the year.

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        11 months ago

        Yeah, that’s awful.

        I much prefer a fixed amount of PTO to “unlimited” mostly because the culture of companies that offer unlimited seem to discourage actually taking time off, which can lead to burnout. Obviously every company is different, but I’d much rather have a decent fixed amount of time off vs something where I’d feel guilty for abusing it. I currently get like 3.5 weeks, which is pretty decent for my field, and I’ll get a bump to 4.5 weeks in a couple years.

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        11 months ago

        Vacation time I think needs a minimum if you’re going to do unlimited, otherwise people aren’t sure what to take and may take less.

        There’s no such thing as unlimited time off.

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          11 months ago

          There are places that state they have “unlimited vacations” but I expect they will fire you if you take too many days off. A friend of mine has all the Fridays in the year off, plus the regular vacations.

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            11 months ago

            I don’t know where these places are but pretty much every company will have a minimum number of hours you need to work a year (they usually define this as the maximum number of holidays you can take a year rather than the number of days you actually have to work, but it works out the same way) and they’ll tell you what those are, they can’t expect you to just guess.

            For example i can take a maximum of 21 holiday days a year + however many days I am sick + national holidays.

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              11 months ago

              Maybe although I am sure they have a very sketchy contract as they don’t adhere to regulations anyway