Zuck has never been an original ideas guy, every product Facebook has ever made they either copied or bought from somebody else (including Facebook), what he is good at is taking someone else’s idea and squeezing every bit of money out of them via ads.
So what happens when Facebook finally runs out of other people’s ideas to copy? Facebook and Instagram are both dying a slow death, because their core audience are leaving, and Tik Tok proved to be their toughest obstacle yet. Oculus was always meant to be a side project for Facebook, until suddenly it became the centerpiece of “Meta” out of the blue. It’s no wonder then Oculus became what it is today, because putting ads and collect data from everything is the only trick Facebook knows.
It ruined Oculus, that was a change.
Yup, I was about to but an Oculus Rift years ago, but once they were bought out by Facebook, I swore them off forever.
I’m still waiting for a decent, privacy respecting headset that’s not too expensive and works well on Linux.
You can get 2/3 with the Valve Index, but I don’t think you’ll ever get all 3.
Yeah, I’ve been debating getting one, but it’s a bit expensive for how much I’d actually use it (like once/month or so). I’m happy to throw $500 at a toy, but not $1k+.
You should be able to but a used set in very good condition for that price.
Is there a valve index 2 on the way?
I would hate to finally get it only for the 2nd version to release a year or two after.
I was going to buy one, but when they got bought out it made the Vive an obvious choice for me. No regrets, it still works great.
I’ve heard good things, but they seem to be discontinued at this point and I’m worried about parts availability and whatnot if something breaks.
I’m casually looking at Valve Index. It seems Valve is looking into a successor, so I might wait a bit to see what that looks like. I’m in no hurry.
Vive would be OK if you’re on a budget, you could probably get good deals on used stuff but if you wanted something new, it might be a good idea to wait a bit to see what Valve does.
I love my index sooooo much
The bright side? Shows how much we hate meta
What? Who tf expected that!? They bought Oculus, enshittification happened, and their products are worse now.
“enshittification” is an enshittification of the english language
English teacher here. Languages change over time and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Feel free to speak with old english if thou very regard it matters. :)
i know that, im not a child.
i’m talking about a particularly stupid word, not the evolution of language.
also, i don’t believe enshittjfication will stand the test of time, you jive turkey.i don’t believe enshittjfication will stand the test of time
I actually hope you’re right, because I believe it will only linger as long as there’s behavior taking place that it clearly defines.
you jive turkey.
I love this. I wish it was my account name.
make it your account name then
It’s just a wish. It’s a funny term and I like it, but not worth the effort of making a new account and subbing to all the same groups again. I’ve done it thrice already and it’s a pain in the ass. Maybe I’ll use it next time I sign up for something though.
Yeah, we’re a society. Things happen outside of grammar and word rules handed down to us from above…
lol, no rules… it’s just a stupid word that sounds stupid and makes anyone who uses it look stupid…
Shakespeare invented tons of words, and they were all great, inventing new words is great. enshittification, in particular, is just lazy and dumb
p.s. love it when people do dumb shit and then defend the general category of what they’re doing as if that was the problemWhy, in objective terms, is it lazy and dumb? Or do you just not like it?
Plenty of useful and appropriate words are used by people in dumb ways, that does not make the words themselves dumb.
i’ve already talked about it more than i care about it
“I have an irrational dislike of it and can’t defend my opinion with facts.”
“i feel personally injured by someone else not liking something that i like, so i will harass and berate them for saying so”
Fair enough but what word do you use instead of enshittification? It filled a gap in the language.
depends on the context:
“exploitation”
“make it shitty”
“ruined”
“fucked it up”
if it was used way less, in non-pseudo-intellectual contexts, i wouldn’t care…
there is a term for companies buying companies and lowering the quality of the product while capitalizing on the brand reputation… i forget it though…i mean, i barely care but people keep commenting on this so i feel like replying.
parentification is another one like that. just verbifying the noun and sticking “ification” on the end to have more syllables.
you could just write out, “children being forced into parenting roles” or something…
In large families, the eldest child has traditionally taken on more parent-like responsibilities… it’s not new and if it really needs it’s own word, it deserves a more thought out word structure than just:
“+ification and now let’s try to spread the word and get people to take me seriously!”Before I reply I just wanna say I’m not trying to fight or argue I’m just quite interested in language.
All your context-dependent examples are verbs, whereas “enshitification” is a noun - a state of being. That’s why it fills a gap in English.
Otherwise you need an entire sentence to describe that process A happened to B thing and the result is C state.
It doesn’t seem intellectual at all to me, I mean it has the word shit in it and its closest contender for meaning is probably “fuckedupness”.
meh
It’s main problem is that people overuse it massively and act like they’re saying something really clever by using it
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yep. it’s like pseudo-intellectuals got too lazy to learn big words and use them incorrectly, so they just added syllables to “shitty”
What you describe as the word’s flaws make it perfect though. The word itself is an icon for the actions it describes
i hate facebook as much as the next person but the products definitely aren’t worse, I just figure that iteration on VR tech is really hard. The quest 2 and quest 3 are, genuinely, kind of incredible devices from a technological perspective, they’re just hamstrung by faceook. that’s bad but I don’t think it’s fair to say the products are specifically worse when oculus was acquired so early on
Facebook is the only reason I don’t already have one or two of these headsets right now.
Those of us whose hype withered the moment Facebook bought it were pretty spot-on in our expectations.
i felt the same way but i was gifted one recently… it’s still pretty awesome, and it runs android so you can put it in developer mode and sideload whatever you want…
i expected it to be locked down like apple, but no it’s pretty sick.
see also: original NES Legend of Zelda ported to oculus…
I’m in a similar boat, however I was very disappointed to see that in order to enable developer mode you have to make/sign in with a Meta account and “register” as a developer with them.
i didn’t like that either… but it was quick and free…
had to take a shower afterwards though…
Yeah, but you can’t just enable developer mode on the device itself. You need Meta’s blessing for that.
not really their blessing, but yeah you have to create a developer account, agree to be part of a human centipede, and then you’re in…
there’s even an alternative side loading store call side quest that streamlines it and has a ton of stuff to download…
I at least was able to recoup a few bucks when they forced fb accounts. A friend was interested in buying a headset anyway so we worked out a price for my account and just migrated it to his fb instead of mine. Bought an index and it’s pretty tight.
They made VR headsets more people can afford that also don’t suck major balls like the PSVR or Google Cardboard (the other affordable VR options). People just don’t want them because they’re Facebook/Meta. 😔
I expected it would lead to worse services, worse support, and worse privacy.
Well, they have changed the world, they have ruined the perfectly good term metaverse with their failed product.
Yeah, but I don’t think that this is really Facebook so much as VR in general.
Pretty much. I’d never buy anything Facebook related but it’s more that the tech just is not quite there yet. This fact not just causes some big caveats, but also drives the price up. Even the Oculus ones, which are considered entry level, are still fairly expensive kits. It’s a big investment, and the actual support is still fairly limited.
There’s some great tech & prototypes out there that are really interesting though. From very high-tech enthusiast gear to very small and lightweight solutions. I’m sure we’ll eventually see a bigger market push for VR at some point that makes it more mainstream.
What do you mean “not there”? What features and improvements do you think current gen VR is lacking?
Anything that pushes the price down, anything that pushes the weight down, anything that pushes the size down, anything that improves the quality, ways to mitigate motion sickness, better inside out tracking so you don’t have to rely on external stations, etc. etc.
The Quest 1 doesn’t need external stations, and it’s so old Meta considers it obsolete and no longer sells software for it. Now granted, that’s not very old, but what I’m saying is the technology is well and truly there. When I use my quest 1 for long enough that the battery runs out, the only ill effects I get are the same I’d get from standing for that same duration of time. No neck pain at all. And I don’t think motion sickness has a technological solution, I think it has a personal solution. I played video games on the TV until I got sick a dozen times when I was small. Now I don’t get motion sick from anything. Video games engage your brain differently, they just do, and your brain has to adapt just like with any hobby. If you play a sport, the exercise will hurt at first. Your body will adapt. If you don’t want to rewire your brain to be able to deal with the sensations of multiple realities at once, then video games just are not for you. Because that’s what video games are.
I agree, the price was a bit high when I got my Quest 1, but that was years ago and I have never felt the need to upgrade. It’s a perfectly fine device that can do everything I want. I suspect that in 2024, you can buy an old headset on the cheap. I actually had a friend who was giving away a quest for free last year and was looking for someone to take it.
I said better inside out tracking. Most enthusiasts still swear by the Index because of this. Also, the Quest 1 is like looking through a cutout with that POV. And no, there’s several techniques already used to reduce / mitigate motion sickness, with more being used as we move further to understand the underlying issue of it.
Fundamentally motion sickness comes from the instinctive expectation that reality exists and follows certain patterns, and I consider this an immoral belief. The process of adapting to motion sickness requires internalizing on some level a tiny part of the idea that our experience of reality is mutable, so I think we should never use motion sickness mitigating technologies except the kind that help people make this realisation.
That’s the dumbest shit I’ve heard all day. I have better things to do than talk about esoteric bullshit.
But everyone hates Facebook and meta do that narrative will prevail
For all we know, that acquisition ruined VR.
Doubtful, while facebook does have a huge segment of the VR market, they’re not the only relevant player, so dont have the ability to entirely control it, and while I’ll certainly not be buying any headset of theirs given their extreme lack of trustworthiness even for a tech company, they have played a pretty big role in improving the tech and bringing the costs down a bit. I think some people just expected the tech to go from “blurry 3-d monitor strapped to your face” to “indistinguishable from reality the way its shown in fiction” in short order and have taken the gradual refinement of the tech instead of rapid leap as a sign that the technology has failed or something.
Since when have any of these tech companies done anything but change the world for the worse?
It sure would. Just not yet
