I think sometime in the next few years an ARM based portable gaming PC could challenge the Steam Deck. ARM is a more efficient architecture, so it could have significantly more battery life, the only hurdle is getting x86 emulation performant enough.
Yeah, I’m hoping to see better Linux support for x86 programs on ARM and RISC-V hardware. I think the future of computers, and especially portable computers, is there.
the only thing i’d like more than a steam deck is for a portable ps5 (which would be everything the switch should have been) because i want to play rebirth and ff16 again on my steam deck but i don’t wanna wait until pc release)
Windows on a handheld is just bad. It’s that simple. A Steam Deck competitor needs a handheld friendly controller focused interface that is at least as good as Valve’s. Our just straight up ship with Steam OS and use Valve’s.
SteamOS still has many instances of awkward UX and some frankly broken behavior, especially while trying to use community features, it’s just that every other offering has been worse.
It’s heavily rumored that Microsoft is working on their own handheld, and it will be interesting to see how that shakes up the market. If microsoft just makes windows controller/handheld friendly, it will greatly improve all the windows handhelds.
However I strongly suspect that we’ll instead see the microsoft handheld be locked down, only able to run microsoft store games. It’ll still probably do better than all the other non-deck handhelds that way, but won’t really be a handheld “PC” if locked down that way.
Third possibility is that Microsoft might do both, release and locked down handheld and release some lesser improvements for navigating windows with a controller. This outcome would make sense if they have different teams working on both at the same time.
I expect Microsoft’s handheld to fall under the Xbox brand, so it’ll probably be incredibly locked down and not something you could use like a PC
If microsoft would release a gaming handheld, it would probably be locked down like the xbox console.
If microsoft would release a gaming handheld, it will probably just be an xbox all together lol
They could call it Windows Console Edition, or WinCE.
Considering Microsoft is dropping support for Windows Mixed Reality devices with Windows 11 24H2, effectively sending millions of otherwise perfectly fine VR headsets to landfill with no recourse. I can see them releasing a handheld with a “custom” version of Windows that allows users to install Steam, GOG, Epic, etc… then bait and switch with a future “feature update” that makes compatibility “too hard” to support or a “security risk”. Maybe the desktop mode is a “developer only” option that gets disabled, or you have to enable third party apps like in windows 10 S and that ability gets taken away. I wouldn’t put it past Microsoft.
Maybe I’m just peeved at Microsoft for deciding that my VR headset will be E-waste even though the hardware is fine, or ignoring the concept of user consent by enabling OneDrive cloud backups for local folders by default while basically forcing you to create a Microsoft account to install Windows if you don’t know the right sequence of arcane f-ing rituals to create a local account. But I don’t trust them…
Despite how good the steam deck is, any competition is good. With MS hardware track record I don’t have the highest hopes, but again: any competition is good.
If MS or Google does it, it’ll be dropped in 3 to 5 years, 10 at the max.
I’m sure Microsoft’s answer will be an Edge-powered handheld interface with the entire W11 OS underneath.
Don’t get me going on the way the soft keyboard doesn’t always work or that you can’t use the thumb sticks when you have it up. I’m here to enjoy the Steam Deck gangbang but sometimes you get a random dick in a place you weren’t expecting it.
Something might but it has to meet a bunch of criteria. A lot of these handheld have flaws or drawbacks and none of them are perfect:
- powerful APU to run latest games
- OLED screen
- VRR
- Front firing speakers
- comfortable to hold
- back buttons not in the way, but easy to reach
- hall effect sticks and triggers
- trackpad(s)
- good software for device control
- large battery
- lots of fast ram (24gb)
- full size nvme expansion
Most handhelds I see meet a bunch of those but not all of them.
Nope.
The big thing is that the Deck uses Linux which allows Steam to provide an amazing interface.
All the “competition” still tries to use Windows, and the experience is appalling.
The big thing is that the Deck uses Linux which allows Steam to provide an amazing interface
For most people, i think it’s just that it has a good UI. They don’t bother whether it’s linux-powered. Maybe it’s possible to create a good UI in windows as well, but it will be bogged down by 100s of unwanted processes.
No, Microsoft don’t allow it. As part of the distribution licence you are not allowed to customise the OOB interface.
People don’t know it’s Linux, but it’s absolutely because of Linux that it works.
Talk about digging one’s own grave.
Absolutely. But they want everyone to know they are using Windows, which if there was a custom shell then they wouldn’t.
They have >95% of the market, they don’t care about making a good interface for TVs as they already lost it to Android, and they don’t care about making a good gaming interface as they already have XBox.
Windows users are an inconvenience, that they want to milk.
What’s even more funny is that they already have two, somewhat decent, interfaces which are meant for touch; Win8 tablet UI and Windows Phone Live Tiles UI.
If they want, they can easily work upon them, make them controller-friendly, and bake it into Win11. But they are too stubborn to do it.
They’ve also got the Xbox interface for controllers, the reason they don’t make Windows better for this scenario is that they already have XBox and making a SwitchBox interferes with their plan to make everything shit.
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It’s almost everything. You can play most games on Linux. You can’t bolt-on the quality of life features that Valve has on Windows.
There’s a reason most Steam Deck users don’t install Windows on it, even though you can.
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I can’t speak for Epic Launcher games (I know that Heroic Games Launcher exists but I’ve not personally tried it with Epic games) however Blizzard games absolutely can be played in SteamOS - you can utilize something like Bottles or Lutris to install the Blizzard launcher, and then download the games from it as normal and run them. It is how I originally played Diablo 4 on my Deck before I picked it up again on Steam. I swear I remember both Bottles and Lutris even having an “Add to Steam” option to integrate shortcuts directly into Steam (and thus, coming up in the Gaming Mode UI) but don’t quote me on that one.
Blizzard games are actually some of the earliest non-Linux-native games that I remember running very well back in the days where we just had Wine (before Proton, DXVK, etc) which is something that always impressed me.
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Oof, bad take.
I’m all for competition and they are getting better but they just miss the mark. While some of them are faster than the Steam deck, their frame rate lows and averages don’t get close to how stable it can be. Plus the touch pads, joy stick functions, 4 rear buttons. It’s everything you need and the price is better than theirs. I had the original LED since launch and have since upgraded to the OLED model and it was absolutely worth it. The improvements they made to the touchpads, reduced weight and a gorgeous screen are fantastic.
It baffles me how people get the ROG Ally over it. Maybe because they hear that some games may not run on Linux? Those are usually competitive FPS’ that I wouldn’t want to play on a handheld anyway and if you really wanted to you could just install Windows 10/11 onto a MicroSD and boot to Windows.
I got the ROG Ally over it because Bazzite feels mature enough to compete, I like the smaller footprint and higher resolution, but above all because the ROG Ally has a shit 2nd hand market and I could scoop one up for $300
Ah, buying it used also prevents having to rely on ASUS for dealing with a warranty when it breaks. This is smart since ASUS will screw you over the first chance they get.
Aren’t steam deck 64gb versions currently cheaper than that? Hell, i could easily sell my OG steam deck for 300$, but was only asking for 200.
How well does it actually run games? Isn’t the ROG still for all intents and purposes, on Windows?
Yes, but I like that form factor better and screen better, and while it ships with Windows I replaced it with Bazzite immediately and I’m pleased with the performance, I mostly run Indies but the FF7 remake runs 60 fps, on high graphics. But that’s the highest graphics game I have thrown at it
Right on! As long as it works thats all that matters. I’m just happy that handhelds and Linux derivatives are finally getting the light they deserve.
A full install of Windows runs games fine. It doesn’t last long though. Bazzite was not working well when I tried it a few weeks ago. There are a few things that don’t work properly including no control over RGB settings.
I put the stripped down IoT version of Windows on mine. It doesn’t have anything preinstalled. No store, no teams, no xbox, no nothing out of the box. Combine that with a basic telemetry disabling script and you can have better performance. The Armory Crate app handles all of the firmware and drivers. I’m able to stretch the battery almost an hour longer.
Windows actually can run kind of alright when you get rid of all of the bullshit. It’s not going to be as efficient as Linux, and it’s sure as hell not going to be as efficient as a Linux built around a specific set of hardware. It remains to be seen what kind of optimizations MS may introduce when they build a handheld.
So continue to root for Linux? You got it! Go Steam Deck ;D.
You betcha. Depending on what the next iteration of the Deck is like, I might just pick up an OLED when they go on sale.
if you really wanted to you could just install Windows 10/11 onto a MicroSD and boot to Windows.
You really shouldn’t. Running dual boot on your ssd is only slightly harder than installing windows, and there are step-by-step guides to show you how
With the current rise of PC ARM processor (Apple silicone, Snapdragon X), anyone feel like Steam missed the opportunity when developing Deck with x86 and now they have to stick with it?
I tried Apple MacBook Air M2 with a bunch of games and emulators and it runs amazing while being extremely efficient.
I can run Switch emulator Ryujinx with Mario Kart Deluxe 8 at 60FPS and it only need 12Wh, compared to my PC (i5, 1070) need ~150Wh to do the same thing.
I do think that the future of handheld devices is ARM or RISC-V, but the software support isn’t there yet and would severely limit what could be played.
Nothing stopping them from using an ARM processor for the Deck 2
The fact that almost no PC games support ARM is stopping them. When lots game developers start releasing ARM or RISC-V versions, then Valve may consider an ARM or RISC-V Steam Deck. They will still have to have an emulator to run the older x86 games though.
This is where I’m confused. Games for Mac seem to run fine on both Intel Mac and Apple silicone Mac, and run even better on the later.
The only downside is Apple has dropped support for 32bit so it broke a lot of old games.
If Valve can make Proton to bridge the gap between Windows and Linux, I’m sure they can do something to make x86 games run on ARM (just like Apple did and they’re not even focused on gaming, Apple hates gamers)
Apple specifically designed their ARM CPUs to be able to efficiently translate x86 code. A generic ARM CPU won’t be able to get the same performance. Maybe other manufacturers will do the same as ARM PCs get more common.
When lots game developers start releasing ARM or RISC-V versions
That is more than a little funny, given Valve’s release of Proton, and their stance on Native Linux builds (they recommended against it - just use proton)
Someone on Lemmy said that would require Valve to completely rewrite the Proton layer (which they’ve invested tons of time and money in) and probably the SteamOS would require significant overhaul too. And all the backwards compatibility would be thrown out the window.
Or in other words, that would require Valve to completely redesign the Deck from scratch.
Considering the trend seems to be a move towards ARM (see Mac M1, Windows on ARM + Window’s ARM translation layer) - I wouldnt be surprised if they do exactly that, eventually.
There’s already some work that might lead to it. As ARM gains prevalence, I think it’ll happen sooner rather than later - once all of those dependencies do all the hard work. The efficiency of ARM for mobile devices like the Steam Deck really just scream for it
Id say the fiasco with the m1 chip and compatibility is staying their hand pretty firmly lol
This is the best summary I could come up with:
While other vendors continually push out new handheld pc models, sticking similar internals into different shell designs and gradually bumping up RAM or the Processor, the Steam Deck just keeps selling like hot tasty cakes.
There’s multiple other devices out there now that are in a few ways more powerful than the Steam Deck, but that hasn’t seemed to matter a whole lot to Valve.
Especially since the release of the Steam Deck OLED, which was a pretty huge upgrade, it’s constantly a global top seller for Valve.
When compared with other vendors like GPD, AYANEO, ASUS and all the others, Valve of course have the Steam store to back it up.
Other vendors don’t really have anything like that, so Valve are in a more unique position to stick to one main model.
You only have to look at the new built-in Game Recording feature to see, and the upcoming SteamOS 3.6 that recently moved from Preview to Beta that again brings in some big additions.
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I think so. But it would be hard and I would be surprised if anyone besides Valve could pull it off.
I have a second batch steam deck and still play it often. I wish it had a slightly bigger OLED screen. I think the 16x10 8inch equivalent is a good size.
There would also need to be a fairly decent CPU and GPU upgrade. As well as either an efficiency upgrade or a bigger battery. I think with enough time if we could get a decent arm CPU with good GPU performance, but that is likely not going to happen anytime soon, this could theoretically hit all of these requirements.
I would like to see hall effect sticks and triggers by default.
That could dethrone the steam deck. Especially if it had good linux support, either steam os or bazzite would be good for me.
Short Answer: it’s complicated, but yes
