“I think what you’re reacting to is that, at the moment, Biden is an unpopular president seeking a second term while Trump is a popular figure inside his party who is winning primary races. I wouldn’t necessarily compare the two.”
Credit to @JoshuaHolland
Again, if I wasn’t clear for some reason – this entire line of thinking that Democrats should be appealing to conservatives is why we’re in this position where you’re literally going to go vote for someone supporting a genocide. That’s *literally *what you are going to be voting for because your politics have put us all in this position.
Fuck gradual change. Where did that get us over the last 40 years? Look around you for christ’s sake, this is the result of your gradual change strategy, we’re living it right this very moment. Does it feel like our country is headed in the right direction?
I will never vote for anyone who supports a genocide. Period.
So in summary because 70,000 Palestinians died… you think the lives of the million people sheltering in Rafah are forfeit? …Because once they started the genocide they might as all be dead anyways? What the fuck mate. Do you need someone to tell you that’s fucked up? That is fucked up.
And when did I say appeal to conservatives? Read mine again. You suggested plunging the worst off of America into suffering would magically cure them of their centrist tendencies. Reality is, where there is instability and inequality people grasp on to shitty xenophobic rhetoric to justify holding on to anything. I’m begging you. Read some history. Show me an example where dismantling the existing power structure in a time of instability worked. Not in the past 40 years. In the past 1,000.
Yeah that jumped out at me too
Like fast forward two years, Trump is giving on-the-ground military assistance to Israel instead of whatever milquetoast diplomatic resistance Biden is doing so far which is still better than the American average. The second war has started, and there’s carpet bombing of Palestinian cities with American intel assistance, all the food aid has stopped, and we don’t even attend UN meetings anymore.
And then go to Palestine and say “Sorry about all this. You could have had the status quo, but I could never vote for someone who supports a genocide, period. So don’t blame me for it. Fuck gradual change.”
You’re talking as if Biden is doing something to stop the genocide in Gaza rather than literally funding it…I think it’s you who needs to re-read what you’re writing. It’s not about their lives being forfeit, it’s that he’s literally as genocidal as any member of the GOP up to and including Trump. The genocide is going to continue as it has weather it’s Biden or Trump, full stop.
All you have to do to understand that is look at Biden’s complete non-response to the uncommitted vote. He wants to “hold a meeting” and “have a dialogue” with Arab american communities when he already knows exactly what they want. People are tired of this run-around nonsense, it’s not selling anymore, especially when it comes to a genocide. There is no negotiate and compromise here.
The more you try to talk down about how we all need to suck it up and support a pro-genocide president, the more I become convinced that your politics are as philosophically bankrupt and hollow as the GOP.
The absolute nerve of trying to wave Palestinian lives around as if that serves as some kind of a defense of the people actively funding their murder at this very moment. Absolutely detatched from reality. To try and guilt people because they won’t vote for that is unconscionable.
You’re politics have failed for 40 years, it’s time for you to introspect and change, not the people doing the only thing they can possibly do to hold Biden and Democrats accountable.
I’m going to repeat it: What about the situation right now makes you think that voting for establishment dems for the past 40 years has worked? This is where we are. This is your gradual change manifested. We’ve been doing exactly what you are claiming works.
What’s your plan? I’m listening.
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In November there are two outcomes. This is reality. One has a higher death count. Showing up and voting blue is the least one can do. There is no virtue that costs innocent lives.
https://time.com/6591139/biden-israel-executive-order-sanctions/
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-791654
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1237616100/israel-hamas-war-gaza-aid-un-food-ships
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/12/biden-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war-red-lines
Is it enough? Fuck no. I’m not happy about him funding the Israelis before during and after all of that either. In particular, the line “impose restrictions on the use of U.S.-made offensive weapons by the IDF in Gaza” jumped out at me pretty much as I’m sure it did to you.
On most things I’ll defend Biden; on Israel and Gaza I won’t. He’s the latest in a long string of leaders who’s okay with arming the Israelis so they can kill innocent Palestinians, and blocking any attempt to stop them. I’m fine with clinging to a small hope that he’s planning on changing for the better. A lot of un-heard-of things have been happening in the last few years: Big climate change legislation, student loan forgiveness, a bill for federal marijuana legalization, stuff that was way beyond the limits during the Obama years. If Israel is the next one of those, then great. But I’m not holding my breath and I don’t think it excuses four months of death and allegiance to the worst country in the mideast. I’m only bringing up those small examples above to say, that’s more than most US leaders and way, way more than Trump would do for Palestine.
Okay, let me do it again: Trump’s said he wants to “finish the problem” in Gaza. Personally, I believe he means it and that’s how he plans to wield power with a second term. If you bring that to power, instead of someone who’s merely on the grim neoliberal a-little-genocide-is-okay-but-maybe-let’s-do-better-in-the-future trajectory, then all those dead people are on you.
To bring Hitler to power, because Germany’s colonial adventures before that created enslavement, starvation, and slaughter (because they did), and so you can’t see a difference between Hitler and the establishment Germans, is unconscionable. That’s you. That’s what you’re doing.
Yes, I’ll hold you partly responsible for all the dead Palestinians, Ukrainians, Americans, and whoever else at the end of whatever Trump does if you think there’s no problem with actively bringing him to power and don’t want to actively work to stop it.