To answer your question, which may have been added later, if not apologies for missing it.
If you are talking about the singer elvis then:
I do not think elvis was right in what he did, a lot of white people take black culture and use it to gain power, money and notireity whilst the people who created it continue to suffer.
As far as I’m aware elvis did not help black people by giving them money directly, helping them gain more rights or anything similar therefore he should not be celebrated as much he sadly is.
Okay, sorry, but why do you think black people should have the monopoly on speaking AAVE? Am I not allowed to speak British English, because I don’t live in the UK? Pardon my ignorance, I don’t have contact to many black Americans, but this seems ridiculous to me.
British people in general are not oppressed by the general populace of most countries/the world.
The history of the world is white people, including and especially Britain taking what isn’t theirs and doing what they want with it whilst those who have had everything taken from them or in many cases had many of those things killed and destroyed are ridiculed, locked up, not provided what they need to live and are extremely disenfrachised.
All they want is something that is theirs to stay theirs after all this, but nope, colonisers continue to take it, tell them it sounds ridiculous when they say or do it and then lock them up or worse for the ‘privelege’.
British people in general are not oppressed by the general populace of most countries/the world.
Okay, let me rephrase this. Am I not allowed to speak Jiddisch, just because I’m not Jewish?
All they want is something that is theirs to stay theirs
That doesn’t work with culture or language. It’s simply impossible. In fact it’s the opposite around. These things become more valuable the more people you can share them with.
Great question, I went and asked a Jewish friend about this and she said that Yiddish isn’t really widely spoken any more. However most people who do speak it as a first language would be extremely flattered that someone who isn’t Jewish is trying to learn it.
However, she also said that comparing AAVE to Yiddish is absurd because of how different the circumstances are in that people aren’t actively taking Yiddish phrases as their own without caring about the culture they come from.
As for the rest of your post, it absolutely possibly, I and many others do so every day because that language and culture isn’t mine nor theirs to use, take etc.
Also cultural exchange isn’t what happens when people take something, but when it’s freely given. Which black people keep saying it isn’t but people do not care about them nor their needs, culture or other such things, so it remains a problem.
However, she also said that comparing AAVE to Yiddish is absurd because of how different the circumstances are in that people aren’t actively taking Yiddish phrases as their own without caring about the culture they come from.
Well, we use quite a lot of Jiddisch words here in Germany, but I can guarantee you almost nobody even knows those are Jiddisch words, despite what their ancestors have done to the Jews.
because that language and culture isn’t mine nor theirs to use, take etc.
Okay, to me that just sounds like bullshit. You can’t dictate how other people are allowed to behave. You also can’t avoid it. It people are positively impressed by words or actions, they’ll copy them, no matter whether you allowed them or not. There’s no copyright for culture (thank goodness).
Maybe I’m just entirely insensitive to the topic and making an ass out of myself, but to me (an ignorant) this seems like totally made up nonsense.
“Used AAVE as slang” is gonna get ya cancelled now? Lol, this is absurd, if those are the reasons, using them you can cancel 80% of young folk, y’all are crazy
This is kinda sad tho, that while racism and real bigots exists, y’all waste your time cancelling people for using “y’all”
Of note here, AAVE is an outdated term. AAE - African American English (still a little outdated) or AAL - African American Language (the newest, most accurate term) are more accurate. Linguists dropped the “Vernacular” because it is not a slang language, and are starting to change “English” to “Language” because it is most likely derived from creole, not English
Thank you so much for the more accurate names. Though a lot of black folks I know still do call it AAVE or B(V)E (Black (Vernacular) English), I’m not sure why.
You’re correct that it’s not a slang language. I wasn’t aware that vernacular implied that, I appreciate the education!
It is not just slang, though. It is a whole language that black folks have been constantly asking white people to stop using as slang. This is just one public instance of it happening
Anyone simply hanging around people who speak a certain way is in danger of “cultural appropriation” I guess, since most people will subconsciously adopt the way the people around them speak.
I’m gen Z, pretty much all Zoomers I chat with use slang (and part of it comes from AAVE, this is just how slang develops, it often comes from marginalized groups), I can’t believe some people actually think this is enough to cancel someone for
If a person would write it somewhere other than Fedi, people would probably just assume that you’re joking or making fun of a term cultural appropriation, but oh well
I’m well aware that ‘Gen Z’ took something that wasn’t theirs, changed its meaning and used it to look ‘cool’ and gate-keep people from using the language they didn’t make. Whilst the people who literally created such language and other cultural aspects are laughed at and treated like shit.
So, no, it’s not as you say about ‘language evolving’ nor picking up things from hanging out with such folks, it’s literally about privilege, thinking they are entitled to everything, just like most white people.
We’d rather not give money to a cultural appropriator who has been asked by black people multiple times to stop it, but he doesn’t.
I’m not a native speaker. Man would I feel uncomfortable meeting you at a party. What do you even think of Elvis?
To answer your question, which may have been added later, if not apologies for missing it.
If you are talking about the singer elvis then:
I do not think elvis was right in what he did, a lot of white people take black culture and use it to gain power, money and notireity whilst the people who created it continue to suffer.
As far as I’m aware elvis did not help black people by giving them money directly, helping them gain more rights or anything similar therefore he should not be celebrated as much he sadly is.
Why?
I’m not in the habit of being mean to people that don’t deserve it. If it was you and other non-native speakers I would take my time to explain.
dansup isn’t that he has a lot of power and actual black people who created the language asked him to stop. So it’s not at all a similar situation.
Honestly just sounds like a white guy who grew up around a lot of black people and just wanted to fit in.
Okay, sorry, but why do you think black people should have the monopoly on speaking AAVE? Am I not allowed to speak British English, because I don’t live in the UK? Pardon my ignorance, I don’t have contact to many black Americans, but this seems ridiculous to me.
British people in general are not oppressed by the general populace of most countries/the world.
The history of the world is white people, including and especially Britain taking what isn’t theirs and doing what they want with it whilst those who have had everything taken from them or in many cases had many of those things killed and destroyed are ridiculed, locked up, not provided what they need to live and are extremely disenfrachised.
All they want is something that is theirs to stay theirs after all this, but nope, colonisers continue to take it, tell them it sounds ridiculous when they say or do it and then lock them up or worse for the ‘privelege’.
Okay, let me rephrase this. Am I not allowed to speak Jiddisch, just because I’m not Jewish?
That doesn’t work with culture or language. It’s simply impossible. In fact it’s the opposite around. These things become more valuable the more people you can share them with.
Great question, I went and asked a Jewish friend about this and she said that Yiddish isn’t really widely spoken any more. However most people who do speak it as a first language would be extremely flattered that someone who isn’t Jewish is trying to learn it.
However, she also said that comparing AAVE to Yiddish is absurd because of how different the circumstances are in that people aren’t actively taking Yiddish phrases as their own without caring about the culture they come from.
As for the rest of your post, it absolutely possibly, I and many others do so every day because that language and culture isn’t mine nor theirs to use, take etc.
Also cultural exchange isn’t what happens when people take something, but when it’s freely given. Which black people keep saying it isn’t but people do not care about them nor their needs, culture or other such things, so it remains a problem.
Well, we use quite a lot of Jiddisch words here in Germany, but I can guarantee you almost nobody even knows those are Jiddisch words, despite what their ancestors have done to the Jews.
Okay, to me that just sounds like bullshit. You can’t dictate how other people are allowed to behave. You also can’t avoid it. It people are positively impressed by words or actions, they’ll copy them, no matter whether you allowed them or not. There’s no copyright for culture (thank goodness).
Maybe I’m just entirely insensitive to the topic and making an ass out of myself, but to me (an ignorant) this seems like totally made up nonsense.
Then take our fucking word for it. We live this. Listen to us.
Hey, thank you for stepping in and helping, sorry you had to.
Hope you’re doing okay.
Sorry I am not aware of the incident, do you mind elaborate? Thank you.
Thread and receipts here: https://mastodon.art/@welshpixie/113822469270748843
“Used AAVE as slang” is gonna get ya cancelled now? Lol, this is absurd, if those are the reasons, using them you can cancel 80% of young folk, y’all are crazy
This is kinda sad tho, that while racism and real bigots exists, y’all waste your time cancelling people for using “y’all”
Is AAVE = “African American Vernacular English”? That’s the only thing I can think that it would be.
Of note here, AAVE is an outdated term. AAE - African American English (still a little outdated) or AAL - African American Language (the newest, most accurate term) are more accurate. Linguists dropped the “Vernacular” because it is not a slang language, and are starting to change “English” to “Language” because it is most likely derived from creole, not English
Thank you so much for the more accurate names. Though a lot of black folks I know still do call it AAVE or B(V)E (Black (Vernacular) English), I’m not sure why.
You’re correct that it’s not a slang language. I wasn’t aware that vernacular implied that, I appreciate the education!
It was AAVE for a long time, and momentum is a hell of a thing. Ultimately whatever the culture wants to call it, it is really up to them.
Yes.
If you actually read the thread it’s said multiple times “y’all” wasn’t and isn’t the problem.
Okay, but all other examples were just slang too, so my point still stands
It is not just slang, though. It is a whole language that black folks have been constantly asking white people to stop using as slang. This is just one public instance of it happening
Anyone simply hanging around people who speak a certain way is in danger of “cultural appropriation” I guess, since most people will subconsciously adopt the way the people around them speak.
I’m gen Z, pretty much all Zoomers I chat with use slang (and part of it comes from AAVE, this is just how slang develops, it often comes from marginalized groups), I can’t believe some people actually think this is enough to cancel someone for
If a person would write it somewhere other than Fedi, people would probably just assume that you’re joking or making fun of a term cultural appropriation, but oh well
I’m well aware that ‘Gen Z’ took something that wasn’t theirs, changed its meaning and used it to look ‘cool’ and gate-keep people from using the language they didn’t make. Whilst the people who literally created such language and other cultural aspects are laughed at and treated like shit.
So, no, it’s not as you say about ‘language evolving’ nor picking up things from hanging out with such folks, it’s literally about privilege, thinking they are entitled to everything, just like most white people.
I don’t see a point in discussing this topic, I feel like I’m being trolled, I hope you will have a nice rest of your day!