A group of Muslim leaders in swing states are rightly using their electoral power with the #AbandonBiden campaign. They are not so frightened of a Trump presidency that they have allowed themselves to vote for the man who through his proxy Israel has killed some 24,000 people in Gaza and despite phony claims of “working behind the scenes” shows no inclination to change policy and save lives.

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    Run the candidate, then you can say these things without merely bloviating. I don’t see anyone running against Biden who isn’t a complete looney tune with zero chance of defeating the very real threat of fascism that again darkens our doorstep. I know it feels good to post the wall of text about how we need an alternative, but absent an alternative, complaining and refusing to participate helps nobody but the fascists.

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      Perhaps that’s because the DNC literally canceled the primaries in many states? Perhaps it’s because neoliberal corporate media does not run any kind of coverage of alternatives?

      And you don’t get to make the “They wouldn’t stand a chance” argument when Biden is polling less favorably than a 90-something count felon. That argument is done, stop trying to use it.

      No. It’s time to stop this bullshit and admit the DNC needs to fundementally change. Your strategy has failed. Utterly.

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          That’s because you refuse to listen.

          We’ve done the strategy you’re proposing decades. It has failed completely. It doesn’t work.

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            Refuse to listen to what? What if I agree with what you say? You saying it changes nothing. It is a stupid, strategic misstep where we all lose because all it succeeds in doing is to get people to stay home.

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              Where did I advocate staying home? I’m saying you need to start placing the blame where it actually belongs and treating people like Biden as a threat to democracy, not a strategic stop gap. You should not be carrying water for him and blaming these minorities who have been given literally zero reason to vote for Biden. He has abandoned them in favor of helping fund a genocide, it is entirely rational for them to withold their vote as that is the only choice he has left them with.

              Arab-Americans have already lost, why the fuck would they come out to vote for Biden? Because you blame them for his lack of appeal and call them idiots? Good luck with that.

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                Because not presenting a unified front is how you actually lose. Feeding into the apathy that (if you are to be believed) already exists, is going to help guarantee the worst possible outcome, not instantly transform the political landscape shitshow into your utopia. It’s going to be February of the election year and nobody else has emerged, neither DNC nor third party. What the hell are you or anyone else going to do about this that won’t simply throw the match and let the fascists win?

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                  What apathy? People are utterly furious with Biden over his support of genocide, they are the ones actually fighting Biden on this in the only way they can if democracy is on the line why are you not demanding Biden do what it takes to save it? They’re not threatening to withhold votes out of apathy, they’re doing so because their relatives are literally being bombed to death.

                  What the hell are you or anyone else going to do about this that won’t simply throw the match and let the fascists win?

                  Joe Biden needs to do everything in his power to stop the genocide. Publically. And then he needs to literally get on his knees and beg Arab Americans forgiveness. Why in the hell do you refuse to hold the one person who actually has the power to do something accountable for their actions? Why are you instead demanding everyone else vote for genocide?

                  You talk about unity, we need unity in pressuring Biden to stop supporting a far right-wing Israeli genocide.

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                    You’re acting like Biden is unilaterally responsible for the Israeli government’s actions. He’s not fucking God, it would behoove everyone to stop pretending he is. Bibi is hell-bent on an apparent Israeli imperative to avenge genocide with genocide. The US cannot stop it. Only Israel can. International relations (thank dog) is not like the flashy whizbang news-friendly soundbite discourse of domestic politics. You need to step lightly. The recent ICJ ruling is a good first step, and will put the US in a better position to oppose the atrocities in Gaza more forcefully.