Check this out. Remember that Facebook isn’t just the place where moms and aunts swap recipes:
https://mstdn.social/@feditips/111585534320522781
Why are people so horny for federating with fb/meta? If you want to see their shit just join them.
Like who are you talking about, exactly?
I’ve seen like 1 person and they weren’t super enthusiastic, just said it was generally a good thing.
And some other people who are mostly just meh about it at most.
im going to treat it like any other
emailinstance server. trust until they give me a reason not to, and then known contingencies can be implemented.Ok, since we already know they can’t be trusted…
yeah thats not how protocols work, and ‘we’ dont really know what their implementation of this open protocol is going to look like.
but yeah, you can knee jerk yourself up all ya want. have fun. im not going to care about this issue until it becomes an issue.
you dont have people/world/fuckinganyone blocking facebooks email servers out of pure spite.
Like I linked in the OP post, the problem isn’t their implementation of the protocol, but what FB is, and what it has done; and it probably would not stop doing it in the Fediverse. If Hannnibal Lecter moved in the neighbourhood I wouldn’t answer his dinner invite, just to see what’s on the menu.
whatever. i hate facebook, i dont use their crap. but im not going out of my way to block their AP protocol any more than i would their SMTP protocol.
when their activity in a specific context demonstrably, negatively affects my system, ill take action as i would any negative impact from any protocol on any of my services.
when i get a spammer, i block them. but again, im not going out of my way to spite some big asshole company, and potentially lose out on coordinating an offramp for those trapped in its walls.
everyone here as proven one thing: there is no technical reason to block threads. its entirely political/moral/spite and a lot of ‘maybes’.
So, you care only if it affects you personally? Nice.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me
yes this issue just black or white, there is zero nuance. blah blah blah. you sound like a teenager pulling absolutes out of your butthole
I mean, you know they aren’t going to have adequate content moderation because they ALREADY don’t. Lack of moderation is the #1, #2, and #3 best reasons to defederate.
Wanting to see proof before taking positive action is valid and sensible. But you can’t pretend it isn’t something you can already make reasonable inferences about. This is not a new unknown and pretending it is is ridiculous.
Email servers do not automatically feed content into and pull content out of your system. They only send and deliver to specific people at specific addresses. Federation is a firehose. You can close the hydrant before or after it gets hooked up to city water, but at the end of the day only people that chose to do things the sensible way will have dry socks and no water damage.
Federation is a firehose.
this is just not true, sorry. instances only retrieve/pushed specified actions/actors. . pretending it is is ridiculous. this is now a new unknown, this is how the ap protocol works.
and your shit is already public, if they want to suck it all in there is literally nothing stopping them right now. federation or not.
