Look, I get your a fan of his, but this “if” is the problem, like I’ve been saying. The video I linked you, which you aren’t interested in watching, only outlines why he may legally want to shut up about Jirard. The video author comes to this conclusion tediously because the law is tedious, but at least he’s got some sense of humor. I personally just never want to watch another video of Jobst’s because I think he did a poor job of reaching a burden of proof that an actual reporter would need before coming forward with a story. Even not being a journalist myself, I came to the same conclusion as that link the other user sent you. Good on you if you enjoy Jobst’s videos, but I hope he holds himself to higher standards in the future.
I’m not trying to get into a big back-and-forth about this, but just to take one more stab at what I’ve been saying:
The Moon video, Jobst, and the article someone else sent me here all seem to be in agreement that Jirard is on video claiming to have already donated money that it turned out later he hadn’t donated. I’m not sure where you’re getting that there’s a lack of evidence of charity fraud.
Jobst, if I remember correctly, showed the clips of him saying it. Moon said they were “obvious miscommunications or simple misstatements.” Ernie said they were “slip-ups” and that he was just filling time on his stream. To me, the latter two sound like bullshit. You are, of course, free to draw your own different conclusions and judgements about any or all of this. Just the fact that he said some things doesn’t automatically mean he’s guilty. But it’s weird to say there’s no evidence when all the sources seem to acknowledge (with their own wildly differing spins on the presentation) that there is.
As for your implication that I’m just saying all this because I wasn’t interested in the video, I just like Karl Jobst’s videos, etc:
“Well, I haven’t ignored [evidence for creationism]; I considered the purported evidence and then rejected it. There is a difference, and this is a difference, we might say, between prejudice and postjudice. Prejudice is making a judgment before you have looked at the facts. Postjudice is making a judgment afterwards. Prejudice is terrible, in the sense that you commit injustices and you make serious mistakes. Postjudice is not terrible. You can’t be perfect of course; you may make mistakes also. But it is permissible to make a judgment after you have examined the evidence. In some circles it is even encouraged.” -Carl Sagan
I’m not sure where you’re getting that there’s a lack of evidence of charity fraud.
The Moon video quite derisively mocks his and OrdinaryGamers’ definition of charity fraud, as coming from the equivalent of “legal Tinder” for matching lawyers and clients, with the distinction being that one is interested in being easy to understand while the other is a definition that determines whether or not someone violated the law. They demonstrably typed in “definition of charity fraud” and went with the top result regardless of its reliability. The Moon video then goes on to point out several ways that the charity could be operating that would make the actions of Open Hand not just legal but ordinary. Jobst has circumstantial evidence for lots of things, and Jirard could be guilty of some of it. Given the scrutiny he’s about to be under, we’ll know for sure inside of a couple of years. The problem with what Jobst did is that we ought to be sure now, and we’re not. If we’re going to destroy someone’s reputation (and the jobs of the people that he employs in the process) for doing something nefarious, we should know for sure that he actually did it.
Look, I get your a fan of his, but this “if” is the problem, like I’ve been saying. The video I linked you, which you aren’t interested in watching, only outlines why he may legally want to shut up about Jirard. The video author comes to this conclusion tediously because the law is tedious, but at least he’s got some sense of humor. I personally just never want to watch another video of Jobst’s because I think he did a poor job of reaching a burden of proof that an actual reporter would need before coming forward with a story. Even not being a journalist myself, I came to the same conclusion as that link the other user sent you. Good on you if you enjoy Jobst’s videos, but I hope he holds himself to higher standards in the future.
I’m not trying to get into a big back-and-forth about this, but just to take one more stab at what I’ve been saying:
The Moon video, Jobst, and the article someone else sent me here all seem to be in agreement that Jirard is on video claiming to have already donated money that it turned out later he hadn’t donated. I’m not sure where you’re getting that there’s a lack of evidence of charity fraud.
Jobst, if I remember correctly, showed the clips of him saying it. Moon said they were “obvious miscommunications or simple misstatements.” Ernie said they were “slip-ups” and that he was just filling time on his stream. To me, the latter two sound like bullshit. You are, of course, free to draw your own different conclusions and judgements about any or all of this. Just the fact that he said some things doesn’t automatically mean he’s guilty. But it’s weird to say there’s no evidence when all the sources seem to acknowledge (with their own wildly differing spins on the presentation) that there is.
As for your implication that I’m just saying all this because I wasn’t interested in the video, I just like Karl Jobst’s videos, etc:
“Well, I haven’t ignored [evidence for creationism]; I considered the purported evidence and then rejected it. There is a difference, and this is a difference, we might say, between prejudice and postjudice. Prejudice is making a judgment before you have looked at the facts. Postjudice is making a judgment afterwards. Prejudice is terrible, in the sense that you commit injustices and you make serious mistakes. Postjudice is not terrible. You can’t be perfect of course; you may make mistakes also. But it is permissible to make a judgment after you have examined the evidence. In some circles it is even encouraged.” -Carl Sagan
The Moon video quite derisively mocks his and OrdinaryGamers’ definition of charity fraud, as coming from the equivalent of “legal Tinder” for matching lawyers and clients, with the distinction being that one is interested in being easy to understand while the other is a definition that determines whether or not someone violated the law. They demonstrably typed in “definition of charity fraud” and went with the top result regardless of its reliability. The Moon video then goes on to point out several ways that the charity could be operating that would make the actions of Open Hand not just legal but ordinary. Jobst has circumstantial evidence for lots of things, and Jirard could be guilty of some of it. Given the scrutiny he’s about to be under, we’ll know for sure inside of a couple of years. The problem with what Jobst did is that we ought to be sure now, and we’re not. If we’re going to destroy someone’s reputation (and the jobs of the people that he employs in the process) for doing something nefarious, we should know for sure that he actually did it.