And yet fossil fuels are still being funded globally by our taxes, corporate profits still increase, and the planet gets hotter.

I would not swap my 12R for an 8a, no way. Screen size and fast charge are more important to me than anything the Pixel offers.

The compromises are less important to me. Camera, flat screen, availability of ROMs and all that, are probably the biggest. I can live with the camera, it’s fine for normal stuff. The curved screen can be annoying but only very occasionally. I can live with it.

There are already custom ROMs for the 12R. The process isn’t as straightforward but I don’t use them until official support ends. By then it’s likely to be smoothed out, along with the compatibility of things like Gcam.

I think the 12R is well worth considering in it’s own right as a decent phone. As an alternative to the 8a, for me there’s no competition.

YMMV.

I couldn’t agree more, but I try not to think about it to much as I have teenage children. It’s bloody scary!

Thanks for the informative comment, much appreciated.

I’ve also heard talk of hydrogen cargo ships but I don’t know if that’s realistic.

There’s also a container technology that’s been developed at Sheffield University, I believe. Each hydrogen molecule is held within its own container and it effectively becomes a liquid. Great for storage and transfer.

Hydrogen is made using fossil fuel energy. Compressing it to liquid is, I believe, an expensive and inefficient process. There’s no magic solution unfortunately.

I’m not sure if you realise, but I do agree with you. Unfortunately the problems are bigger than just saying fix it today, get on your bike.

It’s going to take longer than we want to make those changes and cars may never go away. As much as things like bikes and public transport are better, for lots of reasons, people like cars.

These problems are political and require political solutions. In the mean time I’ll do what I can, and if that includes not using ICE cars then I don’t think you can blame me for it.

Yes, that’s great and all but until those solutions are realised we can and should make use of what’s available to us if there are direct benefits.

If I can use a product of the car industry that doesn’t poison the people around me and makes some of those people think a bit more about climate issues, while doing the same journeys I did with an ICE, why shouldn’t I?

There are more efficient and better options to decarbonize cities than electric cars.

Yes, I know. What I’m saying isn’t about that, it’s about raising awareness of climate issues while also reducing extremely toxic emissions around the people who live in cities.

They aren’t a long term solution but they have their uses for now. I don’t see how that’s a bad thing.

Have we ever thought they were a solution and not just a stopgap?

The problems are many and the manufacturers are complicit, but EVs do have a use. Right now, they are helping to raise awareness of the problems, the causes and guilty parties. That’s a broad effect and if little else it will help to push things along, which is much needed generally.

The other thing they do is help to reduce poisonous emissions around pedestrians and other road users. Buses are a big problem with that and large EVs can make a big difference in cities.

More EVs in cities will help reduce NOx and particulate emissions and that alone is worthwhile.

Until proper alternatives are fully operational, EVs are not the worst thing.

Heh, I’m gonna assume that will be when they have the billion$ Google require for the “service.”

Yes, with reading glasses and everything bigger!

No feature can balance that huge con.

My requirements out way that con by a large degree. It’s not ideal but there’s no perfect phone.

I’m using gestures too

With a case? I have to use a work phone with a flat screen and a case. I set the gestures the same as my own phone for muscle memory and it’s often annoyingly bad.

These things are all subjective, we just have different needs. As I’ve said elsewhere, I asked the question because I did not know what reasons people had for wanting a small phone. I’ve had plenty of good answers now, including yours, and I’m glad I now have a better understanding of the needs for small phones.

Yes, use my phone one handed. Was that not clear?

Yeah it is subjective but when I see complaints about big phones, or rather the lack of small ones, using it one handed seems to be a regular thing.

I’ve been thinking about this and I used both hands with all my phones back to the old Nokia feature phone days, and the first smart phone I had was less than 3.5 inches.

Despite my fairly large hands that have no problem shifting the phone around in one, I just don’t. And it’s because of accuracy, or lack of it. I can miss my intended target quite easily, even with two hands. The bigger the screen, the less accurate I have to be. That’s a really big thing for me. I even used the Nokias with bigger buttons.

This is starting to make sense! If I had smaller fingers that were also more accurate, I would probably want to use a phone one handed as well.

I think this has explained it for me and I’m glad I asked. Now I can appreciate the perspective of the complaint and that’s something I like, seeing things from a place different to my own.

To me that doesn’t really compute. I like to see a lot of information on my screen and my eyes aren’t as young as they were. My hands aren’t small and neither are my pockets, but I use two hands most of the time.

I guess we’re all different and if your phone is too big and it’s getting more difficult to find the small phone you want, then I can certainly understand why it’s a problem for some.

I don’t really like looking at curved screens but I do really like using gestures for navigating. Flat screens aren’t as easy to do that with especially as I like to use a case. Horses for courses, eh?

I don’t know, those things aren’t a problem for me. I can use maps and type one handed if I need to and I use my phone as much as the next guy. I just don’t find I really need to very often, very rarely in fact.

I know my way of doing things isn’t always standard, are there other reasons people have?

Why do people need to use their phone with one hand?

It was! Thank you 👍🏻

Ok, I see now that you were talking about historical events specifically. That wasn’t clear to me from the outset so I apologise for any confusion.

Hmm, then we could be talking past each other. I’m bridging the two as polar opposites but you say that’s not what you’re getting at?

“objective fact” regarding previous events when you expand them past “this event happened” (I.e. this happened because xyz)

Could you expand on this? Preferably with an example using something other than history, eg a reaction or a sum.

how our world view and others views might shape and define what’s considered history or fact.

communal (and biological namely) sources of information shared and verified by each other is far more valuable.

You’re still implying that obtaining objective facts is less reliable than made up stories.

Unless I’m completely mistaken, could you explain why you think that is please?