What does attention in this case help other than more people saying “look at those idiots blocking the road”…in my opinion it may even detract from the cause…

On the other hand, if the CEOs of the companies who are polluting our world and the politicians they’re successfully lobbying have to live in fear in their own homes, shit starts to change quick.

Depends how you interpret violence. Blocking the freeway is essentially holding people hostage for as long as you’re blocking it.

I think 5 years is extremely harsh but I do think a shorter prison sentence is a fair punishment.

You could be putting people’s lives in danger by doing it and even if you aren’t, you have no right to stop other people from going where they’re going.

If someone stopped me on the streets and refused to let me walk down a public street, that to me would be trying to hold me hostage and I’d react accordingly.

I will if I feel like our politicians deserve it. I definitely won’t hold people hostage to try and get them to sympathise with me…

I’m glad you were put in prison. Go protest in front of where politicians live or in front of the parlament. Don’t inconvenience normal people.

Best case scenario, you achieved to piss of a bunch of random people. Worst case you killed someone who was having a heart attack and being rushed to the hospital.

True, they don’t have the same kind of wind usually but their forests are immensely more flammable.

I’m not an expert but from everything I can find about this topic it seems like fire prevention absolutely could have avoided most of the houses that burned down.

Found a massive pine cone in Rome when I visited about 24 years ago.

Not really sure why I kept it but I did.

I know but it’s also a bit of a cop out from the ones responsible for this. There are controllable factors that the state just ignored for years on end.

I’m all for renewable energy and limiting climate change as much as we can but theres a reason thousands of homes doesn’t go up in flames in Sweden or Finland. Both of those countries manage their forests and does fire prevention regularly.

I’m not arguing against the fact that climate change is real but looking at fires and going “see, global warming* is about as silly as showing a snowball and going” see, no global warming. "

Now that no EVs get subsidies they’ll have to compete directly with ICE cars which is going to be tricky in the US I think.

I’m going to be very surprised if tesla sales won’t suffer in the US. Maybe not as much as legacy OEM EVs though.

I’m sure global warming doesn’t help us with fires like this but saying it’s a “undeniable sign of climate change” is plain bullshit.

There’s a reason they don’t have these devastating fires in Sweden or Finland…

I’m frustrated by the discourse too but I’m not sure it’s for the same reasons as you.

What frustrates me is we never seem to discuss goals and why we have those goals.

Is the goal to keep the average temperature of earth as low as possible for as long as possible?

Is it to minimize the impact and costs for humans?

What exactly are we aiming for, and why?

What is your frustration with the discourse?