Well, you can disable window controls in gnome and KDE afaik if you want. Then you’ll only have the various app-specific buttons that are necessary for functionality.

If you’re looking for every app to have a vim-like interface or something, well, that seems a bit unrelated to CSDs.

Honestly, I don’t really understand the hate that client-side decorations get. I find that they’re generally pretty useful and good.

I think a lot of it comes from people who want to ‘rice’ and theme their desktops but I personally think that dream has sailed. The kind of theming people want on Linux systems is simply not possible without massive amounts of work and downgrades to accessibility, security and usability.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but for clarification, the fact they’re drawn by the client actually means they can always be the same across different environments. This is in opposition to server-side decorations which are drawn by the desktop environment and should match the environment as a result. That said, server-side decorations are largely much less extensible than client side ones.

This will be your only warning. Do not make bad faith comments like this. It’s entirely fine to bring new information and to correct people, it is not okay to insult people like this.

Right, I might’ve been more confused with your previous to last paragraph because using she/her pronoun as ‘default’ was and is a genuine feminist practice in French where gender neutrality is more difficult.

Anyhow, I would recommend not arguing your points like that - it just kinda smells like bad faith argumentation.

By calling reverse discrimination a far-right trope, I presume you mean complaints about reverse discrimination?

Yes, that would be correct. It’s the basis of the Great replacement theory.

Your last two paragraphs, especially the last one, feel eerily close to reverse-ism.

“Reverse-ism” usually refers to “reverse discrimination”. It’s a big trope in far-right circles and ties directly to the “Great replacement” theory.

It’s unclear what your intentions were when you said this but it felt weird.

It’s worth understanding that “agenda” has a negative connotation. In this context, it’s used as a dogwhistle against women and queer people.

What I find infuriating is that this same meme also happened at the provincial level in Quebec in 2018.

I mean, even if you’re a labour fan, I can’t imagine needing to do a coalition with the liberal democrats and greens would hurt. That said, I don’t know much about UK politics.

Don’t call people “incredibly fucking stupid”. Be(e) nice.

This reads eerily close to reverse-ism. Please don’t do that.

I explicitly chose that term because it’s not considered subjective by anyone, but especially not by the people who think gender-neutrality is somehow NOT political.

All words are subjective. “Non-technical” is not really the magic word you think it is. Could you clearly define it? I can’t personally.

Do you think they’d stop being bad people if they couldn’t make an honest living? Would it be better or worse if they were on the street? Do you think they might resort to criminality also?

I don’t think anyone deserves living in the street. I don’t think they will stop being bad people whether or not I support them. It seems you’re trying to move the goal post.

Do you feel better knowing they aren’t getting your money? Even at the cost of them ever doing anything good for anyone?

I feel better that they aren’t getting my money because they cannot be empowered to hurt the people I care about. I think they can do good things without my support. This seems like a weird thing to say.

Also, this is clearly sealioning. It’s really not a good way to make conversation.

I mean, to be fair, Skia appears to be good - Firefox and LibreOffice also use it for example. I believe GNOME Web will also use Skia in GNOME 47. It certainly seems that people are moving away from Cairo and into Skia. For what reason? I don’t know.

I don’t support bad people. Those bad people can change and become good people. Until then, why would I support and pay those that hurt my friends?

What I got was that there would be no Google or Mozilla specific code/libraries, but FOSS libraries for common media formats would be included so that the project can reach a wider audience.

AFAIK They use Skia, the rendering library made by Google so this does not appear true either.

We should be promoting open source software and not have infighting when open source software doesn’t have much mass market appeal to begin with.

Just as a side note, I want open source software / free software to have appeal because it is good for people. If the way the promote it to the masses is enabling awful people, I’m really not interested anymore.

Sometimes terrible people can do good things. Those good things should be supported. Judge a project on it own merits.

The thing here is that Ladybird and SerenityOS are both the community and the code. One cannot live without the other because the code will always need its community to develop it. And in this case, it is not possible to support them without supporting the people who, y’know receive the money. I think nobody is arguing against an independent browser engine - the argument is against the implementation of it.

I think you meant that using the Autobahn does not send support to Nazis. Slight typo there :P

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