• AChiTenshi@sh.itjust.works
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    8 months ago

    The only anti cheat I need is a private server with my friends. If they cheat I can just make fun of them for having to do it.

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      8 months ago

      Remember getting put in jails and generally shamed worked better than any anti-cheat. Anti-cheat really has become trying to fix the issue of taking the option of private moderated servers away from players

  • narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    I always find it interesting how many people are welcoming kernel-level anti-cheat software. I dislike cheaters as well, but granting a part of a game essentially full access to my system isn’t worth it at all in my opinion.

    Also, I didn’t even realize that people commonly play this game on a public server. I thought this was more like a co-op experience on a private server/invite basis, or solo.

    • MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works
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      8 months ago

      I always find it interesting how many people are welcoming kernel-level anti-cheat software

      Imo it really depends on the game, and how much cheating can actually effect things, and as time goes on and technology develops, it will only become more relevant. I remember a headline a while back about a monitor that used machine learning to track the enemy team in league of legends by “watching” the map, and marking whenever an enemy is crossing a ward.

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        8 months ago

        If the code used to cheat runs outside of the machine the game is running on - as in your example - kernel level anti-cheat won’t even do anything. What’s next then? Allowing the game (we are talking about games, I want to make that very clear) to whitelist/blacklist attached peripherals? “Ah, sorry, you can only play this game with Razer or Corsair mice, because your noname mouse might be injecting inputs from cheat software.”

        Client-side anti-cheat is like validating payloads on the client side in web apps. It won’t stop people who really want to break your game. Stop running shitty software on my computer. Anti-cheat needs to be server side, with (probably “AI” based) pattern recognition. If a cheater is found with some degree of certainty, let a human review the footage. Yes, these human employees cost money, but this is just the cost of running a (competitive) multiplayer game.

        Instead, game developers/publishers add a crappy anti-cheat software. It’s cheaper, but it’s also worse in terms of actually stopping cheating and in terms of security for the computer running the game.

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          8 months ago

          The problem is that most cheating is subtle. Sure, theres the idiots who just throw every cheat in the book, but especially at higher levels where people care most about the integrity of the competition, cheating is a lot more subtle and within human limits, such that “I’m just that good” or “I got lucky” would be an entirely valid defense.

          If you don’t like anti-cheat, don’t play games with it.

      • LdyMeow@sh.itjust.works
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        8 months ago

        I’m not certain how what you said debates the other comment at all. Like I get that Chester will get more advanced or whatever, but allowing kernel level garbage is not ok to me. No matter the circumstances.

        • MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works
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          8 months ago

          I mean there’s no point in debating in the first place if you’ve just drawn your line in the sand and don’t give a fuck about anything else

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            8 months ago

            “I don’t want to hand over compete kernel and administrative control of my PC just to play a game” seems like a pretty reasonable line to draw.

            • MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works
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              8 months ago

              If you like it, feel free. But it still isn’t particularly conducive to debate if it’s just your own line in the sand and you don’t particularly care what anyone else thinks.

    • gila@lemm.ee
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      8 months ago

      You can rent a server with 32 slots and keep your progression playing with buddies. Better than the joining players having to restart their progression to play in co-op

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        8 months ago

        Yup, I’m actually hosting a Palworld server for friends on my root server. I think the invite-based multiplayer is limited to 4 players.