• phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    Yeah, this I can get behind. Fuck those guys painting Stonehenge, but this? Yeah, go ahead.

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      Controversial opinion: whats the point of stonehenge if there is no humanity? Its not like it fosters some ecosystem or smth for other species, its a historical piece which holds sentimental value to us humans.

      If we continue to use oil, we will for sure fuck up humanity. The act was controversial but the message needs to be looked at

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        What’s the point of destroying Stonehenge if humanity survives as a cascading result of stopping air travel? Defacing or destroying Stonehenge is not the lynch pin that solves or even moves the needle on climate change.

        Worse, if it WORKS it means the next cause that is perhaps not existential is going to come and destroy something else that belongs to humanity. Weirdly, when nation states destroy heritage sites it’s considered a type of war crime, but when it comes up for raising awareness for climate change fuck yeah everyone’s in!

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        With that attitude we can just about go ahead and kill ourselves, what’s the point, right?

        My point is that trying to destroy stonge henge and art just to get attention to your cause is doing the cause a disservice. If anything it gives oil producers ammonto say “see how idiotic they are? They don’t know what they’re doing, climate change isnt real”

        Stop punishing all of humanity for what is caused and controlled by a select few. Destroy rich assholes airplanes, that I can get behind. Leave art and historical sites alone.

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        Yeah but that is the problem. These people keep on trying to destroy art and historical sites just to get the point across.

        I know the point, we all know the point and there is NOTHING we can do about it. It’s ll in the hands of politicians and wealthy assholes. Destroying beautiful things or historical artifacts isn’t doing anything to further the cause, it’s not doing a single shit to teach humanity (or better, those politicians that actually can stop climate change). It’s the same as those protests that stop traffic. You only piss people off and cause ambulances to not arrive in time at hospitals.

        You’re doing it wrong.

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        If we’re assuming that humanity will go extinct, then sure there’s no point to stonehenge. But then there’s also no point to a protest either.

        If we’re assuming humanity isn’t going extinct, then there is a point to preserving stonehenge and there’s also a point to having these protests.

        Seems like there’s a logic fail happening here where there’s no point to preserving stone henge for the future but there is still a point to a protest about preserving things for the future.

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            There’s zero chance that protesting Stonehenge will improve the future, they’re just rocks.

            Protesting an oil refinery might have better odds tho.

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              Zero change is pretty damn impressive confidence intervals, and oil refineries are much easier to cover things up/rewrite the story at

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                Even easier to rewrite history when someone is attacking something like Stonehenge. “Just a bunch of idiots that don’t really care about the problem, they’re just trying to get attention for themselves.” And is that all that far from the truth? IT is 100% about getting attention the only thing that’s debatable is whether it’s attention for the cause or attention for themselves.

                The problem isn’t that people don’t know global warming exists, the problem is they don’t care. Sure, being an asshole gets you attention, but it doesn’t influence anyone to help with a cause. So whatever their intent, these kinds of actions are just selfish attention seeking.

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                  So you want them to break into a secure facility and probably get federal charges instead of some rocks?

                  Cause these rocks are special rocks to you?

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        We’re not going to die from climate change. Screw up the environment? Sure. But humans have the capability to literally live in space, on the moon, and soon enough, mars.

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          *while supported from Earth.

          We don’t have second Earth to be supported from.

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          Best of luck when earth is slightly less viable for crops and a couple billion starve.

          But no we can temporarily not kill 4 or 5 people so we must be unkillable from anything