Ha, as if Obsidian would work on another fallout when they didn’t get paid for the last one.
They didn’t??
Part of the contractual agreement between the studios was that Obsidian would only earn their “bonus” if the game performed well and got an 85 on Metacritic. Somehow, FO:NV missed that rating at the last moment and only scored an 84, denying obsidian the promised money.
Ohhh damn yeah, I do remember that, now that you spell it out. Thanks for the splainer
“Like, where do you draw the line between what’s true and what’s not true?” he said. "What we tend to do is, the most truthful thing is what people saw on the screen, right? That’s the most truth. And then things that are written officially along with the games are kinda second truth. And then, other things that are written or done outside of that—spin-off things, or somebody answering on the internet—those things are kinda third place.
…Huh, what??? I can understand him wanting New Vegas to have lower priority in terms of canon in comparison to games made by Bethesda, but why the hell would he want a TV show’s canonicity to be above the actual source material, and the one that they themselves made on top of that???
I think the “most truthful” thing encompasses the games too. It comes across as “whatever the players do is what is canon to them” and “along with the games” means things alongside the games, not the games themselves.
Kinda like the game manual saying x character was killed in the previous game or something but you as a player never let that happen. Your canon is the true canon, not what is written.
That sounds much more like a todd thing to say.
Ok, that’s fair. The article might be omitting context with that quote.
I read that as saying what people saw on their screens while playing the games was most truthful, not as a reference specifically to the TV show.
Lol this article goes out of its way to try and tamp down the New Vegas controversy.
A) no it’s not a stretch to look at the chalkboard in the show and see that the dates do not line up with new vegas’ timeline.
B) Josh Sawyer didn’t say he didn’t care what they did with fallout because he actually didn’t care but because he has had to make peace with the fact that he doesn’t control it anymore
C) Tim Cain said he loved the look and feel of the world in the show, not the plot elements or then retconning NV, and basically just said maybe the whiteboard is a lie / I don’t control it anymore so I’m not going to publicly criticize it but posted links to the timeline descrepencies.
new vegas fans can never understand plot points unless a character has 5 minute exposition explaining it
like fuck, do people really not know what an arrow means? did nobody play new vegas and realize the ncr was spread way too thin in new vegas? they couldnt even send troops to their defenses that are right next to legion territory, basically left them to die. hell new vegas talks a lot about how the ncr is barely holding on. how does that not tie in to the chalkboard timeline exactly? i seriously dont understand the confusion about it
like fuck, do people really not know what an arrow means?
Like fuck, do you not know that “fall of the NCR” happening before the events of New Vegas is a clear retcon at best, and nuking Shady Sands immediately after NV ends is completely shitting on all the themes of hope in the NV narrative?
I seriously don’t understand how you can read that whiteboard and think “oh yeah, they’re totally respecting the NV cannon”.
how is it a retcon at all? you clearly never played new vegas, considering that nuking the ncr is something the player can fucking do
get over it, you are just a bethesda hater, grasping at straws
No man, you’re a tod Howard dick rider for some reason who refuses to acknowledge that the show clearly put no effort into respecting NV cannon, or intentionally mislead fans into thinking that’s what they were doing. It doesnt take a fucking genius to look at that whiteboard and realize that it conflicts with the literal year that NV takes place.
no it doesnt. you dont even know the lore of new vegas or the ncr, because the ncr is massive yet in new vegas they were spread too thin, their president was not well liked, they are desperate to get hoover dam for some reason (maybe they’ve idk started to fall?)
and you fail to even see that there is an arrow pointing to a nuke. do you really not know that an arrow indicates time passing? do you really not know that the ncr did not capital in shady sands anymore?
you must think it would be a better idea to pretend new vegas never existed than to incorporate it into something new again. you must really hate new vegas to think that
If they make games who take place outside of the US. They don’t have to hear about how they broke the lore. But Todd said no. Or Bethesda can make a new Fallout timeline. You have a OG timeline (FO1, FO2, Tactics, and FNV) and a Bethesda timeline (all the games/shows they made). They have two outs to stop people from hating them. But Bethesda is not doing them.
Todd bought Fallout because Fallout was only just seen as a way to make merch out of. Yes, let’s have vault boy on everything, let’s have nuka-cola replicas, let’s have bottle cap replicas .etc
But nothing about whether or not the games are even worth a toss to play. There’s people who still to this day, favor FO 1, 2 and New Vegas. They were made with a level of charm and care that got YOU to where you are today. FO 3, 4 and 76 all feel like just empty open worlds with recycled material, it’s running in place with no forward progression.
The OG creator of FO may be a humble guy, but the series still deserve better.
The T.V. show was great, huh fellas?
New Vegas is ass.
Congrats on being the minority opinion 🎉
But what about the dialog?
