The fact that this race is even remotely close is un-fucking-believable.
What do you expect he has done nothing for what matters rent, food, houses, healthcare, income and the homeless are out of control but hey we might get weed put to schedule 3…woopie
American Rescue Plan reversed much of the damage done by the pandemic
Unemployment at historic lows
Expanded access to healthcare coverage
Passed bipartisan infrastructure bill
CHIPS Act
Inflation Reduction Act has brought inflation back under control
Rejoined the Paris Climate Accord
Passed sweeping student debt relief for millions of students burdened with predatory loans
And yes, rescheduled cannabis after a century of prohibition
All in just one term.
Wow, you’re right, he’s done nothing, guess I’ll just vote for the dude with 91 felony charges who talks about being a dictator on day one, or maybe the dude with the brain worm. Really tough choice.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not voting for the orange turd, but none of those things has changed anything rent is still 50% of my income and food is still double what it used to be electricity is high, gas is high child care is impossible I Guess I should have signed up for school loans
American-Muslims should not vote for Biden. Will Muslims vote for a professed Zionist? Also, Americans see the US has no business in other countries, and the man openly admitted in smug speeches he wants to tell everybody else on the planet what their politics should be. Why do rich people want to pay more taxes just to spend it in rabbit holes? Don’t give Joe Biden any more of your money. The federal government has too much power. Federal power needs to be scaled back. I think Americans are done with elitism. One thing Trump isn’t, he is not an elitist, or a warmonger. Joe Biden has proven he is a foreign asset, gives away taxpayer money to his international bosses, foments conflict, and the Intentional Court Of Justice should look into genocide charges against Joe Biden. I believe he is a war criminal and a liar. I can see why people like Joe Biden hate “make America great” because they are globalist, and seem to care more about meddling in the politics of the world.
‘I am a Zionist’: How Joe Biden’s lifelong bond with Israel shapes war policy | Reuters - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/
Neither Trump or Biden will reduce the power of the federal government. Some departments may take a hit and others will get a boost but it won’t be reduced. Way too much money to be made be keeping the beast of corruption for the rich moving.
Trump who you are voting for by not voting for Biden, absolutely is a globalist… With just the shittier parts of the globe.
Wasn’t trump the president who moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? A move done to rally his base. Trump is absolutely pro israel and would love to see college kids shipped to a war zone so they can witness the atrocity of the war they are protesting…
Trump has actually… Proved he’s a foreign asset. Put in literally cannot wait for him to retake power so he can absolutely steamroll a legitimate democracy.
Fuck it wouldn’t shock me if Trump sold our military to the highest bidder.
Trump is absolutely an elitist… He has a fucking skyscraper with his name on it in downtown Chicago… What part of that screams… Salt of the Earth? What planet are you living on?
Joe Biden is the problem. Explain how Trump is an elitist? An elitist ignores the will of the people. Trump is a populist president, which is what democracy is. Trump talks to the people. Joe Biden hides behind a teleprompter and still misses up. His handlers control his interactions with the public, which is very limited and runs from critical questions. An elitist tells you shut up and take it. Elitism is the enemy of democracy, not populism. Americans don’t care about Biden’s proxy war in Ukraine or supporting Israel. There is no reason to vote for Biden. Democracy must show the will of the people, and Joe Biden needs to be taken down by democratic will. The only people who vote for Biden are donors and never-Trumpers who don’t realize what a fuck up Joe is. Where will you be when Joe loses?
This level of misinformation should be removed from lemmy. I get that free speech is a thing that needs to be upheld, but to a certain extent- it shouldn’t be used to try and convert people into morons.
Trump is a populist when it comes to public statements, he’s an elitist when it comes to actual policy.
You don’t have to look any further than his tax cuts to see that. Who got them? The elites. Who suffered? Everyone else.
Or how he specifically engineered things like military flights to Scotland specifically to benefit his own property there:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/12/air-force-trump-scottish-resort-1493624
That’s banana republic level elitist corruption, not populism.
His speeches? Pure populism. But his speeches were not his policy, well, until January 6th, then they overlapped.
No he isn’t. Joe Biden is an elitist who warns about MAGA people voting in a democracy. He is anti-democratic and anti-free speech. He colludes with Big Tech to suppress speech. Joe Biden is an establishment politician. He spent at least 4 decades in the US government, and it accepted among the establishment in the US government. These lifelong elites stay in government and take up new positions in the government. The US government has been hijacked by foreign interests, which means people like Joe Biden don’t work for the American people. Sure he may be the “Big Guy” in Ukraine, he will not delegate policy to Zelenskyy, but he is comprised, and clearly intimidated by Israel. Israel is a tiny country; the US is a superpower. Why is a small country telling a superpower that meddles in the politics of other countries, to not meddle in their own policy, while at the same time, telling the superpower, they will fund the small country’s war machine against civilians? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Imagine what China is thinking. What does the US want in Gaza? This is nonsense and should not be tolerated.
The president has little say on the laws that Congress passes. Vote for your local senators and representatives! The only way to realize change is to vote in your local elections!
It is local and state government that is important to making changes! Republicans have figured this out decades ago and have been gerrymandering and packing courts for decades.
The president can’t waive a magic wand and make any change he wants.
The president has little say on the laws that Congress passes.
Vetoes
Executive Orders
Judicial Appointments
Fundraising for Congressional Candidates
An Attorney General that can argue against legislation in federal courts
An enormous administrative bureaucracy that authors internal policy under broader federal mandates
A Vice President who breaks ties in a Senate split 48(D)/3(I)/49®
But other than that…
Been looking bad for Biden for months now, I think his key mistake is waiting for the convention to start massively campaigning.
There’s no reason for him to be doing that badly in PA.
Remember though, it’s a poll. And polls are used now for nothing more than manipulation. People in this thread have already torn apart its findings. As they do any time a poll is shared with the intend to misinform.
Polls have been pretty much useless since 2019.
Also, I don’t trust the NYT as far as I can throw them.
They’re not useless, but they have an error that can be several points larger than the given margin of error. What this is telling is is that it’s a close election. And that’s a big deal
It’s definitely worrying as I sit here North of my American brothers and sisters, to see the sheer amount of “Yeah but Biden sucks”. Sure 100% agree, but you’re welcoming in Orange Hitler if you don’t vote, or vote Republican.
So definitely worrying sleeping beside this particular elephant.
LOL, an Orange Hitler has more support from Latinos and Blacks than Biden. Hitler was a warmonger. That is exactly what Biden is.
Yeah, Biden is a warmonger, are you implying that Trump isn’t? Because that’s fucking insane.
Based on what? We have Joe Biden’s voting record. Decades worth of voting records. Joe Biden wants to maintain NATO, which is an organization of bullies. He was “The Big Guy” of Ukraine, fomenting conflict and destabilization. No peace deal, Biden. Trump actually spoke with Kim Jong-un, while the neoliberals said it made America look weak. Trump was willing to have diplomatic talks with Putin, the neoliberal called hims a Russian asset. At his worst, he killed Qasem Soleimani. Neoliberal like Joe Biden wants to put US military bases all over the planet, in harms way, resembling the outpost strategy of the Roman Empire. Joe Biden is an elitist, a warmonger, a foreign asset, a liar, and I believe a war criminal.
Your level of misinformation is problematic and it seems to be a pattern for you. Banned.
Joe Biden wants to maintain NATO, which is an organization of bullies
If you think Biden is a foreign asset and that NATO are bullies, then holy sweet shit you enjoy your delusion.
Just going to gloss over Trump moving of our embassy to Jerusalem and the Abraham accords which were both escalations in the eyes of the Palestinians.
My god that was a hilarious read. Thanks. By the way…. Can someone check to see where the Hexbear leak is?
Ok sure thing comrad.
And Hitler also was a dictator, something orange hitler desperately wants to be.
Joe Biden is dictates more of your life. He wants you to drive electric vehicles, he wants to control the stoves you buy, and wants to tell business how much they should charge, he expects to pay for green energy. He is a boondoggle president who believes he knows better than the people on the ground. EVs is one of his boondoggles, leading car manufacturers to rush in to take advantage of the next big thing with tax incentives. EVs are a money loser. We have one EV manufacturer here, despite local and federal tax incentives, went bankrupt. Trump is the man of the people in more ways Joe Biden is. Joe Biden is an elitist. He wants to run everybody’s life on the planet. He wants to dictate the politics of foreign countries. That is a dictator. Joe Biden’s policy is elitism. Elitism is dictatorship.
Joe Biden does not stand in the way of democratic processes. I assure you, he won’t falsely claim voter fraud or incite an insurrection if he loses the election. Trump has done that in the past. He’s also proven to be a liar and a rapist. Besides, elitism does not make a dictator. While dictators usually are elitist, in actuality, they define themselves through a totalitarian regime aka them being able to do as they wish without consequences. Something Trump and his Supporters have also claimed they want. Very recently.
And sure, Biden might not make politics for everyone and he most definitely is not the best man for the job, but he doesn’t just make politics for rich white men as Trump does, who, for example, wants to undo anything the Obama and later the Biden administration did for social security, healthcare, etc. You know, the structures average people profit most of. Those who are not the “elite”. Not to speak about Trump’s and the Republican Party’s stance on various minorities.
Don’t waste paragraphs on a troll that is barely worth a sentence.
Generally I‘d agree with you but I was bored in class.
As if democrats never cried rigged elections. Joe Biden is an elitist in democrat clothing. He suggests that large segments of the American population are too stupid or evil to vote. They’re called “deplorables,” useful idiots by Hillary Clinton. These are the elites who tell you to shut up and take it. Does that sound like pro-democracy to you? Nope.
Sure, Biden might be an elitist in democrat clothing. As I said, he definitely isn’t perfect and definitely not the best man for the job. But you know what he is not? He is not a far-right, misogynist, racist, homophobe, elitist, openly anti-democratic, bought-by-russia rapist, liar and traitor who wears most of those traits very openly.
Hey Ivan, give it a rest. We get that you’ve got your manifesto to deliver, but outside of Hexbear and .ml, no one wants to hear it.
I wish he was nearly as useful and as progressive as you think he is, because whatever version of Biden you have in your mind, I want some of that
Joe Biden is a progressive. He is an activist. He is as much of a progressive as FDR was. We don’t need activism, we need pragmatism, not confusion, and pointlessness.
This is honestly one of the most stupid things I’ve read in recent times on Lemmy. This take is so brain-dead that I worry for you. For any of what you wrote to make sense it takes a level of propagandization that would make Reagan and orange Hitler cum in each other’s pants. Thank you for setting the bar so high for morons everywhere.
Amoxtli describes themselves as
a colective social-capitalist. What does that mean? believe capitalism is the best economic system to have, though not perfect, it can be utilized, based on reason, for the common, & greater good. I abhor the self-centered individual rights of Western culture and law.
Who the fuck describes themselves that way? This has to either be a troll or a bot. And if it really is a person, they aren’t worth engaging with. Just report, block and move on.
The elephant will do damage to the whole fuckin world if he gets elected, including but not limited to wielding the military in a way that I bet will cause disasters we didn’t even really have on the radar as possibilities before they arrived.
So don’t worry. Being close up to the carnage probably won’t make it any worse, and being far away wouldn’t make it any safer.
including but not limited to wielding the military in a way that I bet will cause disasters we didn’t even really have on the radar as possibilities before they arrived.
Everyone who paid attention during 2020 and has read the Project 2025 plans should know that this will happen.
But it doesn’t even have to be malicious, though he will for sure be malicious, stupidity is enough. A million people died because Covid was so much worse here than it could’ve been, all because he was too petty to say “Put on a mask, save your country” which his base would’ve inevitably eaten up.
But no, his stupidity caused a million avoidable deaths.
A million so far
Exactly, even just his incompetence will hurt us for years to come.
I voted for Clinton with a funeral dirge in my heart at an empty polling place. Then I voted for Biden.
I despise Neoliberals. I’m a socialist. If I can swallow my pride and volunteer to be fucked with no lube instead of being hit by a fascist freight train yet again, you can too.
That said, this country is over, Rejecting the Reagan giveaway was the last chance to begin righting this ship now halfway under water from decades of celebrated antisocial avarice made legal. I’m voting Biden to minimize needless cruelty and scapegoating of vulnerable groups as we collapse from capitalist greed rot and firesale. That is the extent of our vote’s power as our owners bought both parties on economic policy allegiance decades ago, so be kind with it.
We don’t need to collapse AND have our chosen Nero in the white house using their bully pulpit to blameit on everyone from undocumented immigrants to pregnant women to lgbtq, etc and getting them murdered in the streets for what Wall Street profiteers, safe in their guarded towers and luxury bunkers, have wrought.
The impending food shortages and mass homelessness crises will be bad enough.
I will vote as every serous socialist in America has since debs lost, as far left as can win. Every capitalist will bring the crisis of capitalism
New York Times doing its thing again
Presenting the poll results for registered voters, with candidates limited to Biden or Trump with no RFK involved, both of which are decisions which will swing things towards Trump and away from reality, is a decision that I’m hard pressed to explain any other way than that they’re looking for the worst numbers they can present.
It’s not even like the answers to the more accurate question were even any better for Biden. To me they look more or less the same (i.e. serious trouble for Biden). My only explanation is that a lot of these likely voters don’t know their ass from their elbow (e.g.
Oooooh
This is interesting.
Look at the question “What one issue is most important in deciding your vote this November?”
It leads off with:
- The economy (including jobs and the stock market)
- Inflation and the cost of living
- Abortion
- Immigration
- Crime
- Gun policies
… and then, way down below, is “The state of democracy/corruption” (with 6% still bucking the trend to vote for it), and “The Middle East/Israel/Palestinians” (2%).
Lo and behold, a whole lot of people voted for one of the first two options, and also tended to answer questions about how they felt about the economy overall, and whether they felt overall happy with how things were going, accordingly.
I would be interested to see how this poll was presented exactly (especially whether written or verbal, and what order for the questions), and what the numbers would be if there was a similar weight of questioning and emphasis given to “The state of democracy/corruption” as a major issue. Maybe the results would be the same. Maybe not. I’d be interested to see it.
I know you’re not necessarily making this argument but you mention that the most important issue for voters includes…
and “The Middle East/Israel/Palestinians” (2%).
In Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin the margin in 2020 was less than 2%. Michigan and Nevada were under 3%.
It’s a small number, yes, but this argument that it “won’t matter because people vote on domestic issues” ignores these thin margins, imo. It really might matter more than people think.
I didn’t go into it at any length but I think the number of people who, in the actual election, will have the Gaza war impact the way they vote is way higher than 2%. About 13% of Democrats voted “uncommitted” in the Michigan primary, which presumably they wouldn’t have done because of crime, immigration, or whatever other “non-most-important” issues according to this poll.
I think hanging out on Lemmy can give you the impression that more people overall care about Palestine than the number that actually do. But the number definitely isn’t 2%. I’m not at all saying that the real number is 2% and so it doesn’t matter; I’m saying the number is definitely higher than 2% and so this poll is random-phone-number-calling-barking-questions-at-people uninformative garbage.
Gotcha! Definitely agree about Lemmy being an echo chamber for this type of stuff but I also doubt it’s only 2%. Michigan is a good example, even if it was 2% it doesn’t mean it’s equally spread across states.
Also it would be a bit of a mistake to assume only the “most important” issue would impact voting choice, or more importantly, the choice to not vote
Yeah. That whole massive list of “most important” issues which were apparently listed out verbally to people, over the phone, by a bored call center employee, and the list’s suspicious inclusion of multiple versions of “economic issues” with suspicious particular trigger words right at the beginning (where, purely by coincidence I’m sure, a lot of people decided their most important issues were), all form part of an overall picture of big parts of this poll not really meaning anything, let alone the foofaraw that the New York Times seems to want to make it into down to the resolution of individual percentage points.
I would be interested to see how this poll was presented exactly
Have you tried the article?
If that doesn’t answer your questions, it links to the poll questions and breakdowns…
But it seems like you just don’t believe in polls, which is weird because I honestly can’t remember presidential polling not getting in the margin of error of the real result.
This is the same shit that happened in 2016 and 202:
The polls say my favorite isn’t winning! Polls are lying! Everyone ignore the polls and act smug we’ll win!
If you’re somehow actually a Biden supporter, these polls should have you working harder to do the only thing that can help him beat Trump:
Pull him to the left.
Or you could spend the run up to the election telling people not to listen to polls and instead…
I dunno? Read tea leaves? What is exactly is your alternative?
Pretend we’re ostriches and stick our heads in the sand? We won’t be able to see any warning signs but you’re gonna ignore them anyways. So sure, you go first and the rest of us will stick our heads in the sand right after you, promise.
Just you go first.
Read tea leaves? What is exactly is your alternative?
Other people in other threads have found more of the fucky things about this poll; it was a phone poll which 2% of people answered the phone for, which made no attempt to correct for “what ideological mentalities are likely to answer the phone to random numbers”, and then on top of that explicitly made adjustments like increasing the weight of non-college-educated people for some pretty dubious reason.
Polls sound great. The fact that the election is even within 10 points, or 20, should lead to alarm in the Biden camp, and cause some deep soul searching for what went so wrong in the American system that we could be talking about electing Lex Luthor mayor and people are taking it seriously as an idea and it’s even a question of who is going to win the election. I think education and media are the main culprits. Concrete things Biden is doing are not unrelated, exactly (especially on aid for Israel), but they honestly don’t seem to make all that much difference, and a lot of people who are voicing concerns about him seem totally unaware of concrete things he’s been doing.
I’m by no means saying don’t be alarmed. I think we should be very alarmed. But yes, also, I think we should call out bullshit polls when they are as clearly bullshit as this one is (as part of examining the reasons why a respectable news outlet would even be reporting a close poll between Biden and Trump as anything other than the absolute looming catastrophe that it objectively is.)
If you’re somehow actually a Biden supporter, these polls should have you working harder
That’s actually a really good point – I’ll try to come up with some concrete things I can do to help Biden win sometimes later today. I just went to verify that I’m registered to vote (I still am), and I think maybe a good thing politically overall would be a little informational thing about who to vote for in Congress. Presumably some little tool already exists that can tell if your congresspeople have been voting for aid for Israel, inform your voting accordingly instead of just blindly checking the D box, things like that, but I don’t know all that much about it.
IDK, I’ll see what I can come up with later on today if I have some time. It’s a good reminder that talking on the internet without some sort of action isn’t always a good investment of time.
The fact that the election is even within 10 points, or 20, should lead to alarm in the Biden camp,
But…
It’s within 1 or points…
Unless… Are you ignoring everything but popular vote polls across the whole country?
If you’re doing that and not understanding why it’s a bad idea, then that explains why you think polls are bad, but you’re still wrong. Your just looking at polls that don’t matter because those are the ones you agree with
Me: Explains in detail what’s suspect about this specific poll, while still expressing overall alarm at the state of Biden being in trouble in the election
You:
You know what, I don’t even want to summarize it. This is why letting shills or bad faith people participate in the discussion in the first place is a bad idea. I could be using this time to talk with other people who are above-board about what they think, who read and respond to what’s actually said, instead of me investing even a single minute in writing up a message “actually that’s not what I said or even remotely close to it, and you’re just misrepresenting me to make a bizarrely slanted attack on Biden and his supporters, which is your job apparently.”
Feel free to read what I actually said, and respond to it, otherwise please piss off.
You know what, I don’t even want to summarize it
Instead you just did a straw man?
Lemmy is a small place man, the people who constantly rant against science if it doesn’t back up their opinions stick out. Especially when it’s a topic someone knows about like statistical analysis.
This isn’t the first time we’ve had this conversation…
That’s me, I love strawmen and said a whole bunch about what your argument even was, and I hate science. You got me.
Actually, if you wanna educate me on science and polling, can you answer this question? That’s one that I am genuinely curious about that I don’t know the answer to; maybe if you’re super up to speed on polling you might know.
This is the only question there:
I would be interested to go back and look at some of the polling that led up to recent special elections where Democrats won, and see how the poll results compared with the election results – if you follow polling in detail (which again, I don’t), do you happen to know where I could look to find that?
But yes, if you can tell me what race specifically, it would take two seconds to find a poll for you.
And I’m willing to do that if you can calm down with the insults and multiple replies if I don’t respond immediately.
It’s the work day homie, you gotta give people more than 5 minutes to respond before spamming them. But this is important, if there’s a chance you’ll start believing in science again, I can spend less than a minute googling something for you.
40% of voters are Gen Z or Millenial…
Throw.in Gen X and it’s the majority
I wish the DNC started treated them as the main chunk of Dem voters and not a bunch of spoiled children for wanting politicians that represent them instead of their grandparents
It should be comically easy to beat trump, but people just don’t like elderly neoliberals, because of their policies, actions, and often lack of actions.
Gen X does not vote with Gen Z and millennials. They tend to vote alongside the boomers. Therefore, we get Biden.
That is completely unbelievable and I would be very surprised to see a source instead of just an opinion that Genx are Biend supporters with boomers.
Hell, boomers don’t even vote for Biden, most of them go trump.
The Democratic party’s main base has always been the youth, but the party fucking hates them because their more liberal than someone 60 years older.
If the party embraced them, we’d never have another Republican president.
I looked at that article and it doesn’t seem at all related to your claim…
Do these voters have even a passing familiarity with Ronald McDonald and his plans for them?
They do not
If Biden and Trump really are tied among Gen Z voters, I’m afraid Gen Z voters just don’t understand the American election system. If we don’t get Biden, we get Trump, which would be infinitely worse for most of the causes they are angry with Biden on.
I’m afraid Gen Z voters just don’t understand the American election system
Maybe they’re fucking tired of pretending they can influence anything in this rigged bullshit of a world? Trump looses and still doesn’t get any justice in court, there is still no healthcare and minimum wage remains at 1856 levels because FoReFatHeRs of some bullshit, while jeff bezos fucks them in the ass along with their boss and landlord. Tiktok gets banned because the government doesn’t want them to laugh at „israel bad” memes and the climate still falls apart after 10-20 years.
Sure, trump wins and everything gets even worse but stop criticizing people who don’t want to vote when their promised „democracy” is terrible and even worse. They simply don’t believe in their freedom anymore and it’s the fault of their country which viscously takes everything from them. Letting it go to shit might just be their form of a protest. First boomers fucked everything up for them and now they’re screaming „save us”.
This comment boiled down:
It’s not apathy, it’s anger! So that’s okay!
Fair enough. But running away stomping and screaming never helped anyone. This is a marathon, not a sprint. It’s incremental change. Not voting or voting for Trump will never bring about the change they are looking for.
Fair enough. But running away stomping and screaming never helped anyone. This is a marathon, not a sprint. It’s incremental change. Not voting or voting for Trump will never bring about the change they are looking for.
Precisely why conservatives are winning. They have been working towards their goals for 40+ years and they don’t give up. They vote.
Definitely. Conservatives are seeing huge victories that have been in the making for decades, even while in minority. The overturning of Roe being the biggest of them all. They are patient and they make sure to vote every time. It’s part of the conservative culture. The liberal voting culture is the opposite. It’s flailing and inconsistent, and much of the constituency can’t even be bothered to show up on election day. There may be more Democratic leaning voters overall, but that doesn’t matter when they don’t show up to vote.
yeah and if i point this out to the 20 something leftist demo, instead of being like ‘oh yeah they win because they vote, maybe we should vote too’ they just call me facist or boring or whatever insult. the left is pathetic in terms of messaging and aligning interest groups, and general has no coherent or consistent belief structure.
i mean i used to be more leftist myself, but god it’s pathetic. i wish the left had the conviction and consistency of the right, then they’d actaully achieve something… like they did in the 60s… but you know that’s ‘history’ and the left is totally allergic to that concept as well because it’s ‘colonialism and oppression’
I’m the opposite. Used to be center-right, now I’m truly left. Trump and Covid really made me realize that these people are absolutely out there. There’s not reasoning with them. It’s all ideology, zero common sense. But they do vote consistently. That is for sure.
The only problem is that it’s an incremental change for the worse. No matter which geriatric asshole you vote for.
This is completely tone deaf to the things that Biden HAS been able to accomplish. I’d encourage you to research his presidency before you accept and parrot all of the bad things you hear.
To name just a few:
- Unprecedented student loan debt relief
- Improvements to Medicare including the ability to negotiate drug prices and capping prices of certain medications like insulin
- Extremely low unemployment, just a few short years after the pandemic
- Pardoning of minor federal marijuana convictions and initiated the process of having marijuana rescheduled
- A push to make birth control pills available OTC without a prescription in the wake of conservative attacks on reproductive health rights
- Renewed focus on infrastructure spending
- Policies friendly to green energy
And that’s not mentioning the things that could have happened were it not for constant obstruction of Republicans - specifically, efforts to better protect our borders and efforts to curb gun violence.
The president is not a king or autocrat no matter how much Trump and Republicans might disagree. His policy decisions must be focused in order to make any progress at all. He can’t simply wave his hand and make everything a magical utopia.
So before you continue complaining about the lack of progress, I implore you: take ten minutes to do some Google searches about the things that are important to you and the reasons why more progress is not being made. You might be surprised at weary you learn.
It is critically important that we do not give up ground and backslide because the conservative media machine is so powerful that it makes it seem like nothing good has happened.
That individual likely isn’t going to reply. Assume maliciousness before ignorance. That said, please keep replying like this. We don’t know how big our impacts are though hopefully we are able to change a mind and correct the bad narrative trying to take hold.
It’s not. The incremental change is vastly different with Biden and Trump. Biden has made tons of big and small changes that no one remembers because all the focus is on Gaza and Ukraine and Trump.
stop criticizing people who don’t want to vote when their promised „democracy” is terrible and even worse.
How exactly do you think a democratic election that runs on votes is supposed to work? What exactly is not voting going to do, other than ensure that the folks who are voting for the candidate that is more inclined to do more damage to this country wins?
Even if you dislike both candidates, not voting isn’t going to fix anything. Vote for whoever is least likely to destroy the country and make it hell for certain people, and then focus your efforts locally and trying to inspire change on the local level.
Do you want to teach and encourage them to give up so quickly in the face of long-lasting international issues? That’s what you are doing and I hope they see that. This Isreal and Palestine thing did not start in October.
Please redirect your attention to election reform. Fix the system.
Maybe not, but this war started in October
I’m sorry, I must be misunderstanding you. You aren’t asserting that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in Gaza started within the last 12 months, are you?
Because if you are, then I strongly encourage you to look a little bit deeper into this whole thing. It’s been going on for decades.
I’m talking about this particular war. Before October 7th, they we’re in a cease fire and it would have stayed that way if not for Hamas
A ceasefire, by definition and historical example, is a temporary stopping of hostile activity. Often this is to have a chat between leaders. If we assume all ceasefires occur for peace talks clearly this one didn’t end well.
So no, this isn’t a new war. This is the same war and same set of conflicts. Though the original reasons have probably been lost with time, or evolved further into bullshit.
Lol, word it however you want, but they weren’t fighting the day before, or the week before. The fighting that we are witnessing now wouldn’t be happening if Hamas didn’t attack them on Oct. 7
It escalated in October but even shortly before there were regular clashes.
Hey, I’m all for an armed socialist revolution. Maybe a few guillotines.
Until we get that organized tho, you’ll just have to vote so that we can actually organize it.
Accelerationism is such a disgustingly privileged stance.
The joke of 2020 was people screaming about how Trump was very obviously guilty of very real crimes and we needed to get him out to prosecute him.
Then we… didn’t. Ninety-one indictments and the bulk of them have been deferred or dropped. The single remaining case in SDNY isn’t stopping him from campaigning and isn’t meaningfully threatening his ability to assume office.
Sure, trump wins and everything gets even worse but stop criticizing people who don’t want to vote when their promised „democracy” is terrible and even worse.
I’m living in a city where the school district was simply taken over by the Governor. All the HISD school board elections are rendered meaningless. The superintendent is just a charter school flak who exists to dismantle public education. No democratic accountability. Outright looting of the ISD’s budget. The Feds have expressed no interest in interceding in interstate embezzlement.
And we’re told the only way to stop this is to vote. Vote for what? Nobody currently running wants to stop this dismantling of a foundational element of modern civilization. Hell, even the Dem-endorsed new Houston Mayor is just along for the ride on this shit.
lol. Okay, “young people.” If you don’t vote for Biden, you get Trump. And it won’t be the “burn it down and rebuild it” you think it will. It will be right-wing totalitarianism for the next hundred years.
I don’t like it any more than you do. But sometimes our choices are limited.
All it takes is one Supreme Court nomination during Trump’s term and we’re fucked for that much longer. There’s a good chance Thomas dies in the next 4 years, do we really want 40 more years of some young right wing radical in that seat?
I think that’s what young people really don’t get. It’s not just 4 bad years (although even that argument is a pretty privileged thing to say).
This ^
Alito and Thomas are the two oldest on the court at 74 and 75 respectively. So there’s a good chance that whoever is elected in '24 gets a shot at replacing one or both of them.
DEFINITELY whoever is elected in '28.
So, for safety’s sake, we need a D win in BOTH '24 AND '28.
Replacing them flips the court from 6-3 Conservative to 5-4 Liberal.
BUT - then the next two oldest are Roberts, who would be the swing vote, and Sotomayor. Both 69 currently.
So in '28, they’ll be the same age as Alito and Thomas now. Likely to be replaced in either the '28 or '32 cycle.
Have we replaced all 3 of the democrats with younger ones so we don’t have another fucking nightmare from someone’s pride about their job?
I can’t tell if that’s a joke but yes? They’re all relatively young for justices. None in their 70s. Granted, Trump pushed the envelope in terms of age for justices
it goes further, a lot of them don’t trust the court anymore at all. to them it’s beyond redemption so it doesn’t matter who gets appointed by whom.
He repealed 112 environmental regulations in one term and wrote a record 220 Executive Orders, without any familiarity with the job of holding office, and during a pandemic. Imagine how much more effective he’ll be at destroying our progress this time around.
Thomas won’t even have to die. If Trump wins you can be sure we’ll see at least 1 resignation and replacement. They aren’t going to make the same mistake that RBG made, especially since they’ve had their eye on the ball when it comes to packing the courts with conservative judges at every level for decades.
Everything is in place for Trump to perform an autocratic authoritarian takeover of America. People need to be mentally prepared to fight or flight.
A lot of people can’t understand 10 years in the future. Our animal inside wants now now now. Gotta store up for winter.
The problem with the Democrats is they are poorly selling the future, while the Republicans are “promising” the now, at the expense of the future.
If we get Trump, I’m fairly certain we won’t have another real national election again. It’ll be like Russia with massive “voter fraud” bills and EOs passed that completely neuter the ability to vote. The treasonous Project 2025 would gut the government and we’ll probably get that Schedule F bullshit that brings back the spoils system.
So while Biden is wonderful (he’s done a bunch of good stuff recently at least), Trump is so far down the fascist ladder there really isn’t any choice. I’m not excited to vote for Biden, I’m terrified of Trump being elected.
they don’t think that far ahead. they thing not voting is a protest and makes them non-complicit in the ‘system’.
just like all the dweebs who go on and on about how they are anti-capitalist in one tab while shopping on amazon in the other.
Well, in his defense, the burn it down part is true.
In all seriousness, he’s already caused damage that far outlasted his term. The Supreme Court, District court, and Appeals court appointments will affect them for decades. His regulations repeals will take over a decade to reenact. His tax reform exploitatively widened the already oppressive wealth inequality. We may not fully recover from a second term in their lifetime.
That’s what everyone kept saying in 2016, but he didn’t destroy the oligarchy. He raided the coffers and shat in the well water. His destruction of the status quo was entirely self-serving, and he left in place all of the systems he could abuse to benefit himself at the expense of everyone else.
Few people realized how much damage he caused until after he left office. He created a noise screen in the news like a magician diverting your attention.
What people thinking this don’t understand is how much and how long it will burn.
Certainly all the “burn it all down” voters are going to get is they’ll spend the rest of their life in the fire they helped start. Maybe they’ll watch all the people they care about burn first, via health care, LGTBQ rights, prosection of political enemies, etc.
Proof in point: We’re still suffering from the lingerings of Reaganomics. Both Bushs caused their own shifts against a progressive society, often by throwing out things built up by the previous administration to improve things. Trump did a lot of things too, but the ironic one is where he dismantled the very things that GWB helped create to fight worldwide pandemics (credit to George there for reading a book, asking his advisors how true it was, and doing something).
If you don’t vote for Biden, you get Trump.
Thanks to our Constitution you get Trump even if you do vote for Biden.
Elaborate
I think they’re talking about popular vote vs electoral college.
In that case yes, fuck the electoral college.
Ok grampa, it just so happens that condescendingly blaming young voters for Biden’s piss poor policies while in office won’t be the get out the vote motivating factor you seem to think it will. If Biden wants votes, he needs to appeal to voters, not just donors.
Biden bots say the voters are too dumb to vote in a democracy, then they claim they are for protecting democracy.
I put it in quotes to mock the article, asshole.
Removed, civility.
Now do theirs. Ageism is not civil.
Theirs wasn’t reported so we didn’t see it.
Glad to see we take context into consideration when removing content.
Calling another user an asshole doesn’t require additional context. ;)
He had his chance to effect massive change, and he made everything he touched worse. His plan for healthcare was just “undo Obamacare” because everything was perfect before. I’m very glad he didn’t get a chance to touch that.
Burn everything down and rebuild is clearly not the panacea some folks wish. I get it, though. In 2016, most of the pro-Trump voters I knew self-identified as anarchists.
We have to fix this shit without burning it down. Too many people rely on things as they are (for good and ill) to enact dramatic change overnight.
Yes I know right?
Marriage equality? Who needs it.
Giving unions the biggest win/shot in the arm they’ve had in the last 50 to 75 years? Poppycock!
Eliminating non compete agreements for most Americans? For fucks sake we don’t like competing!
BIG / S ENERGY
I’ll be real. There was only one candidate in the 2020 Democratic primary that I disliked more than biden. And that was culty gabbard. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the last two presidential primaries. Biden is so far from perfect or what we really need. But has still been astonishingly good on so many things. Granted in our current state that’s a low bar. But I honestly struggle to think what Sanders could have done in a meaningful sense that Biden has not. I’m sure Sanders would have spoken out against the violence in Palestine sooner. It would still be happening exactly as it is now. But he would have spoken out sooner. So that is a plus.
But it really boggles the mind to try to comprehend how people can still be this uninformed. To think everything he touches turns to shit. No it just goes to prove the old adage. The left doesn’t need enemies with allies like the left.
Joe Biden is inept and useless. He wanted to lock down the entire country during COVID until who knows when. His foreign policy shows his incompetence. He has no business being a world leader.
I don’t know about that. However, someone with so little knowledge as yourself as no business commenting on politics.
Biden tried to do more than he accomplished, but got shot down by right-wing courts and the two ‘moderates’ in Manchin and Sinema. You think Sanders could have done better, given what Biden faced?
Nope. I literally said I couldn’t see Sanders doing much better really. I agree with everything you did.
Well, I don’t believe for a second that Biden and Trump and tied with Gen Z. Right now, it’s “free” to claim that you won’t vote for Biden or won’t vote at all. At the end of the day, Gen Z and most young people will come out and vote for the one closer to their world view. Angry or not.
I don’t think humanity under capitalism has another 100 years of effective life left, tbh
So uh… good news?
blah blah blah, don’t listen to the new york times about polling right now, it’s all for clicks, not for any actually substances of truth.
This is a more meaningful critique — the poll is surely real, but that doesn’t mean Biden is going to experience some sort of guaranteed loss.
hahahahahaha, these ridiculous childish bourgeois antisemites are gonna push the “we want the fascist back” button, ahahahahahahah
Republicans in the courts and the legislation block anything that helps those key demographics the article talks about
“bIdEn IsN’t DoInG eNoUgH!!”
It would have been the easiest dunk of his life to go to Manchin or sinema’s districts and hold a rally for legislations that they are blocking and would have garnered support from younger people because he is actually trying and applying pressure. Not just making a statement and saying “owell I tried”.
You want Biden to go into ruby red districts where a dem-in-name-only got into power by the skin of their teeth, and campaign for Democratic policies, and you think those people will welcome him? You think it will be easy??
You’re in a bubble, dude. There’s no silent majority of progressives out there. Just because all of your friends are doesn’t mean the whole nation is.
Manchin got elected because he blocked Dem policies. Not in spite of it.
Then fuck Manchin. If you don’t want to play ball the dems should do everything in their power to make you toe the line. Run as a republican if you want to vote against dem policies.
He DID play ball. That’s why we keep him.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62328875
Manchin is better than a Republican because we can work with him sometimes. You don’t want him to be able to hold up bills? Don’t give us a bare bones Senate majority. Get more Dems in Congress.
Dems have a majority in the Senate but we need to “VoTe HaRder”. Nah you neolibs will come up with every excuse to be goo lite and cry and piss your pants when people don’t want your shitty crumbs anymore.
51-50 is enough to give Manchin and Sinema power.
55-45 would negate Manchin and Sinema.
60-40 would negate the GOP.
So, yes. Fucking vote harder. It matters.
Kids need better civics education so they can keep their expectations of what our government is capable of as low as possible, that way they don’t feel like voting is useless and give up.
Two things can be true.
The president is not, and should not, be an all-powerful individual.
If these idiots stay home he will be and they will be fucked with a capital F.
I agree the president is not, and should not be, all-powerful.
But he’s still a politician. He’s still, ostensibly, the leader of his party and his nation. If he can’t convince idiots to leave their homes and vote for him, he’s failing all of us. We’re not failing him. Idiots will always exist, and conservatives never have any trouble getting their idiots to the polls.
America should not be at the mercy of idiots. That’s what got us Trump.
Your logic here is flawed.
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Care to elaborate on what Biden can realistically do with the current congressional breakdown?
I think there’s plenty he could be doing, but the common thread would be “making the case.” What he can accomplish and what he can fight for are different categories, and the fights he loses with the House can be the talking points downticket challengers use to unseat members of the House.
Only if the media covers it, and if the Tiktok generation pays attention. Which it’s not, and they’re not.
What he finally started kind of halfway doing and not sending the weapons and ammo.
The only things I have wanted since the beginning were: only send defensive munitions( Iron dome missiles) and get more aid in there.
If he would have clearly announced to the world his intentions to put one American soldier per aid truck and driven right through, either they wouldn’t have done shit, and the aid would have got through, or they would’ve pulled a USS liberty combined with a WCK and proved they weren’t our allies.
Either way, this war would be different.
Either we would have safe civilians.
The main thing I wanted from Israel was them to protect the civilians.
I said a long time ago that they could have done exactly what they are doing now, except the tents would have been maybe a kilometer into Israel.
It could have had fences and dead lines around it.
They could have setup a whole are with an, easy, efficient, and safe living area with food, bathing, electricity, medical stations and open live-streamed cameras everywhere.
The us would have fucking paid for those and then Israel could slowly let people in while vetting them carefully.
Would there still have been people that called them concentration camps? Oh fuck yeah, but they would have been easily countered by the livestreams.
Would some hummus members slip in? Yes, but there is only so much they could do in an area where they were searched with body scanners before they allowed in and that cameras are covering every square inch of.
It would have accomplished more, while gaining the Israelis international repute instead of the opposite.
