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On meta’s while it is flagrant screw you, they may have a valid argument. Human beings don’t actually need any kind of social media to survive, ergo it is a convenience or luxury that could be charged for.
I’m certainly not agreeing with them, but they may be banking on that style argument and their ungodly amount of money to fight it.
Yes. But we have all gotten pretty used to things on the Internet not costing money. If they start costing money, many people will either not want to or be able to use them.
Right. But if things do start to cost money, should that be stopped by laws?
Really the regulation should be about requiring social media companies to interoperate similar to regulation on the phone companies. You should be able to switch to another social media platform without losing your ability to communicate with your friends on the old platform similar to how you can still call your friends after you change phone companies.
Then is if the social media companies want to charge money people could change to another platform without losing their contacts.
Basically the only reason I still have facebook is to talk to chat with people on there that I can’t contact through other means.
You should be able to switch to another social media platform without losing your ability to communicate with your friends on the old platform similar to how you can still call your friends after you change phone companies.
Boy have I got some news for you about something called “the fediverse…”
Where they lose totally though is the off service data harvesting that isn’t even remotely “implied okay”
You absolutely can charge for social media, just not the way Facebook does. They’re not charging for the service, just for not spying on you, which is illegal under GDPR.
In general the article seems to be a summary of current legislative actions that are ongoing between big tech and EU. Though in the article it’s worded with the much more fitting ‘game of chicken between EU and Big Tech’ rather than something like the title, but I guess “drop dead has a better ring to it”…
I general the article has a lightly optimistic tone, which I very deeply hope holds true.
Please, remember to vote on the European elections! We do need the EU to keep taking actions like this
What parties should we vote for to make sure they keep protecting consumers?
Volt wants:
To make digital rights binding. They call for a “Declaration on European Digital Rights and Principles”.
Tax revenues from digital technologies where they are generated.
Guarantee net neutrality and reject contradictory laws.
Enact laws against the unethical use of AI.
Depends on you country, but the right wing one are usually not the ones that are so pro-regulation.
anything but the right-wing ones.
As an American, please vote. Our country is owned by the corporations, at least yours can bring them to heel sometimes.
:`-( I miss voting in the European elections! 🏴🇪🇺💪
European elections have this advantage that the morons don’t even go to vote nor know what is going on.
It’s the sole reason why is it going so good, obfuscation. Anything outside of the country is too much too grasp for the rightists.There’s some kind of deep moral to this and I am not sure it is a good one
Apple’s going to fight all of this tooth and nail, country by country, to the end of time. Anything less and they risk a shareholder lawsuit.
This is billions and billions of dollars we’re talking about, not chump change.
Apple get get out of my face. In EU, it’s not even close as popular as in NA. I wouldn’t care if they stopped selling products here
While I don’t like Apple losing them in the EU would be bad. Forcing them to open up their garden is way better.
Less competition is bad for the consumer (usually). If they break laws though they must not sell in the EU.
Big tech can go F itself.
All big tech has done is stolen our data and lied to us for their own needs.
Make all software FOSS
That’s not true. Try also destroyed really good things, like the internet as a whole.
If it’s not FOSS, it’s not yours.
This smells like sour grapes to me, just like when people say to boycott Starbucks and then in the same breath say their coffee sucks. These companies became behemoths because people find a lot of value in the products and services they offer. Failing to acknowledge that truth just makes you sound out of touch.
It’s a timeline. tech companies have become much worse, and people warning about them more vocal, so the lower educated classes who mindlessly use their products have (partially) woken up to the real motives of companies who create “free to use” products, i.e. data mining. In the EU, we have a lot of dummies who we call “remote controlled”, who want to simulate a version of the US lifestyle (huge cars, celebrity adulation, eating like shit, single-issue voting, vapidness). These mainly teenagers but regrettably also low-class adults. Those are also the people who still use social networks because they have nothing else going on and are too lazy to invest their free time in worthwhile activities. So it’s a class issue, the social underbelly of the EU is remote controlled by US culture and corporations almost like the social underbelly of the US is.
people find a lot of value in the products and services they offer
This is definitely true to some degree, but there imo is also another side to this.
Yes, they there are underlying problems/demands that they solve, but they definitely also create and shape those since psychology sadly works extremely effective. And they really try their hardest to manipulate customers.
Another aspect is that they might have originally created that value and given the users what they wanted, which got them in the position they are in now. Sometimes even operating at a loss to bully competition out of the market. But once they achieved this dominant position enshittification commences. Which wouldn’t be that much of an issue, if they wouldn’t also often prevent competition from growing enough to be able to compete.
Example Google search: The demand for a way to navigate the web is real and google fulfilled it best, which made them huge. Timejump to the present: the demand is still the same, but now google shows you what they want you to see and pay billions to be the default search engine to hinder any competition from gaining any traction.
I mean you SHOULD boycott starbucks for their business practices. But you can’t say their coffee sucks. They don’t have coffee. They have “diabetic inducing coffee flavored sugarwater”
But it’s not coffee
I think the point being made here is that many people clearly enjoy what Starbucks offers. So, saying they suck is preaching to the choir. The only people listening to that are the people you aren’t trying to convince. If you want an impact, suggest an alternative that will make those people happy. To do that, start with an understanding of the value Starbucks brings them. Failing that, you are just signaling that your thinking isn’t for them. They’ll just ignore you and continue to happily give Starbucks their money.
Big Tech needs to knows its place. Yes especially you Apple. Make sideloading available globally.
And stop charging a “Core Technology Fee”. And allow JIT compiling for non-browsers so emulators for newer systems can perform well.
Wow. I have no idea what a “Core Technology Fee” is. Guess I’ll stick with Android.
If you don’t like the products of Big Tech, don’t use it. Don’t like oil, don’t use it. The EU might as well ban Big Tech.
It’s not that simple. I don’t like Facebook & I don’t like Facebook. Still Facebook collects data about me. Tell me why shouldn’t Facebook be stopped? Here data is new oil. Facebook is mining for that Oil on my land. You wouldn’t allow oil company to mine oil on your land right.
I feel like trying to make the big fish act in our interest and not theirs is fighting windmills.
Better kill the big fish.
Not directly on topic - note how all the socialist revolutionaries always start with killing the smallest fish and hate it the most. The big ones they try to convert.
That’s a sentiment that quite a few others online feel too:
https://www.techdirt.com/2019/03/13/do-people-want-better-facebook-dead-facebook/
I do get the argument though that if no improvement will ever be good enough for some people, then what incentive do they have to change for the better if it won’t make a difference to those people either way?
Genuine question: how do we actually “kill the big fish” though? Majority are going to continue to use big tech out of convenience and because they dont care much.
I think in the end it all comes down to putting power back into the hands of regulators — power that corporate America has been slowly and steadily eroding for the last 40 years.
A more powerful regulatory state could start enforcing the anti-trust laws we already have on the books by breaking up the massive tech monopolies. Once that’s done, new regulations and new legislation against anti-consumer practices are needed, but those will only work if the punishments scale high enough to work as an actual deterrent against the multi-billion dollar tech giants.
Of course, we’d also need massive, MASSIVE campaign finance and lobbying reforms so that monied interested aren’t able to sabotage the system all over again.
Or we could just bring back the guillotine… that would probably do the trick too.
You forgot to say that regulatory apparatus should have much fewer points of failure. That is, it should be made stronger and more efficient, but it should be radically contracted. It’s bigger than needs be.
By points of failure I mean opportunities for strong entities to make regulations work for monopolies\oligopolies.
No quick way. There are too many regulations which are enforced badly and abused to actually support that “big fish”. Make them fewer and make the punishment swift and unavoidable and hard. And split a few of the worst offenders into parts each in one specific area - Apple, Google, Microsoft, Meta are all good candidates.
US is doing that with TikTok already. The government can snap their fingers and ban / break up companies at the drop of a hat if they want.
To this articles question on why apple should care about EUs 500 million citizens when they have trillions of Dollars. Well given that the USA only has 333 millions I would say they should care a lot.
Apple needs to realize that the EU doesn’t care if they left. They barely pay any taxes in the EU and don’t even create much economic value. Since most Apple jobs in the EU are in retail, businesses administration and tax evasion. They don’t produce shit here.
Meta tried to do the same. The EU response was to ask when they’d leave to plan the going away party. Meta was a lot less confrontational after that.
I think that the EU is fully aware that what makes those extra powerful is network effect. And, once they’re gone, something else pops up in their place. The case of Germans using WhatsApp for example would become inconvenient for them for fifteen whole minutes, then they’d jump into an alternative, and business as usual, without Faecesbook/Merda meddling.
But what about the blue chat bubbles?!
At least in germany, nobody cares. We are using WhatsApp over here most of the time
“Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos!”
WhatsApp is owned by Meta.
We know, the EU also told meta to behave. Meta then threatened to leave and everyone was like “ok, when?”. Because we’ll just switch to the next best thing. So meta behaved. Sort of, it’s an ongoing thing.
Meta’s not behaving in the slightest. Their entire business model is illegal under the GDPR. They will continue maliciously complying for as long as they can. Just like Apple. Fight tooth and nail for as long as it takes.
Its a regional thing. In europe whatsapp is more generally used then in the usa :)
Nobody cares about that in EU
As of the second quarter of fiscal year 2024, the Americas held around 41 percent of the revenue, whereas Europe came in second with roughly over 26.5 percent.
As the second largest revenue generator, Europe has a powerful voice.
The EU is only one chunk of Apple’s “Europe” segment, which is defined as “European countries, as well as India, the Middle East and Africa.”
And I think a lot of that revenue is in the Middle East to be honest. Those are poorer parts of the world, but with very bad culture of demonstrative consumption.
Still, how big this is for Apple is important only for Apple users. While creating a culture of not fucking around is important for everyone.
So I’d say the EU should cut Apple down right now. They’ve made a lot of bad faith and faux compliance actions. Just ban them. I’m confident there’s much more than one reason justifying that legally. No, that company doesn’t help innovation, education and whatever else.
I’d heard Apple Maps was bad, but I didn’t know it was that bad.
Most companies group MENA separately. They must sell so few devices there that they don’t want to show the numbers separately
25% less revenue is 25% revenue lost. I don’t think the shareholders would welcome that.
There’s a rule banning “self-preferencing.” That’s when platforms push their often inferior, in-house products and hide superior products made by their rivals.
Spaz isn’t going to like this.
He wouldn’t if it applied to him. Unfortunately, reddit I not a gatekeeper in the sense of the DMA and due to its management it’s also unlikely to ever reach that position :)
I would have never expected the EFF to use a lame click-bait headline like this one.
The article is ok (summary of the current state of things) but the title is completely out of place.
Guess they had a visiting editor from The Daily Beast in charge of headlines for a day 🤷
