Let’s make Windows 10 the last version ever used!
*Sat. 28 Dec. 11h* Stage YELL #KDEEco 's Call To Action against e-waste driven by #Windows10.
*Mon. 30 Dec. 13-15h* B&B habitat join the BoF to organize a global #FreeSoftware campaign to raise awareness of Windows 10’s EoL in 2025, the role of software in #eWaste, and how independent, sustainable #FOSS is a solution to keep devices in use & out of the landfill.
https://fahrplan.alpaka.space/jugend-hackt-38c3-2024/talk/ST8NJA/
@be4foss @kde Live stream of Joseph’s talk: https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/yell
I think the single biggest issue I have with Linux is package management. Maybe this is purely distribution dependent, but for example in Ubuntu most of the packages are way outdated, not even on the latest stable version. Then I either have to:
- Build from source which means I gotta also install all dependencies and pray that the thing builds
- Add some rando PPA which I have no idea if I should trust
- Use “flatpaks” or “appimages”
None of those options are appealing. And along with these multiple options I end up having multiple versions of things installed in different locations in different ways and also my PATH ends up a big mess, I think I’m just doing something very wrong.
Flatpak for the Win!
Get it? For the WIN?
aurful
Flatpaks environment now is the closest to the Windows experience.
Open the app store (GNOME Software / KDE Discover), search, click install, click run.
I just want a Windows base kernal that I can build my own OS off of. My own DE, my own programs, I want DX12 and NT. I want File Explorer and driver support for days.
But I also want freedom to not have a giant open hole where my data just dumps into a Microsoft cloud environment.
Linux is ready for the webbrowser. Office? No, MS Office does not run and still the marketshare for MS Office is very high on Windows. It does not run on Linux. If the alternatives were better then people would use them. Gaming? Maybe for Steam OS but that is only one distro. If you choose something else you will not have such smooth experience. The user might be better off by moving to console. Any business tool like Adobe or custom built Windows tools does not work. This is very hard to change. Hence many can’t even move to mac os due to this. Media Player/View Pictures? Yes, Linux is ready here.
Can you choose to have Linux pre installed on a new laptop? No, not normally.
There is still some work to do. I hope we get there. We are close for home users.
Personally I use Fedora with Firefox.
If the alternatives were better then people would use them
No. You are underestimating the power of a monopoly.
And Microsoft software comes pre-installed on every shelf computer.
Computers can be bought off-the-shelf with operating systems other than Windows from a few vendors including Apple, Dell, System76, and others.
Can it run substance painter yet?
Substance painter has always ran on Linux, has it not?
I had no idea they had a Linux version, but I can’t find any cracked copies quite as easily as I can for windows. Suggestions welcome.
Never thought Id upvote a KDE post…
What’s not to love about KDE?
I’m still using my thinkpad that’s 11 years running Linux mint beautifully.
I’m doing my part.
I unregistered my Win 10 key last Sunday and removed the SSD. All my IT is Windows free.
You’re quite late. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but they’ve got Windows 11 now. There are people using it. Not me, but people.
All true. The point is that win 11 doesn’t support a lot of old hardware that’s perfectly usable, just doesn’t have TPM2.0 chips built into them. There are some hacks around it, but it takes a great deal of desire and proficiency to make them work.
Yeah, and it sucks in like 30 other ways, but unfortunately people aren’t smart and will be going to 11 like the drones they are. I’m dual booting Linux and 10 and spend 100% of my time on 10 because having to configure and go into console 24/7 isn’t as fun as Lemmy makes it out to be.
Most settings average “Facebook machine” users need are available on common distros without touching a console.
Unless you want to emulate common windows software. Then only God can save you.
I use Arch, btw
is QEMU god?
I’ve been on Linux Mint for the past several months and I think I’ve needed the terminal twice?
Once I couldn’t find a GUI option to adjust the brightness/gamma, but searching found me the terminal command so I just used that.
More recently I needed newer Nvidia drivers than were available by default, so I had to add a new PPA thing. We’ll find out later today if I’m going to regret that.
I would really love it if we could get normal people using Linux but Linux has to come to them in terms of usability, to be honest. The Steam Deck did it, so it’s clearly doable.
But in the state of things we’re in, I’m afraid that *most people* are gonna follow Windows to Windows 11. and their understandings of how computing is will be mutilated by it.
and therefore we get more anprims per capita, because if you think that’s not at least in part downstream of big tech fuckery you’re lying to yourself
Linux ain’t the problem there. Usability is more of that nonsense thought up by corporations to scare people. Computers are tricky, whether Windows or Linux, and the only reason Windows is more popular is they’ve been installing it on people’s computers without asking for decades. Honestly most people don’t even have computers these days. All they get to have is a phone.
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I agree. I am quite comfortable with computers but, since I have switched to Linux about 10 years ago, I struggle any time I am asked for help on a Windows system.
It’s not intuitive at all. Among the quirks, there are still 2 separate control panels that overlap, but not completely, then you have ever-buggy OneDrive, invasive notifications, a convoluted Start menu, …
People find it simple only because they are used to it.
@gyro @be4foss @kde the goal of that event is very ambitious I agree, but if I see that alone this year I myself made 4 friends and my mom to move to Linux then getting Linux to a solid market share and minimalising waste is a practicable goal.
I wouldn’t say it was easy. It is hard work and explaining a normal person what the difference between X11 and Wayland is is next to impossible.
There will be some people who just can’t afford a new PC and we basically just need to help them.
@gyro @be4foss @kde @NafiTheBear i think a significant amount of people are going to just not bother buying another laptop once their Win10 one sucks too much, because they’re on their phones for everything these days
@kyle_pegasus
@be4foss @kde @NafiTheBearWell that’s depressing, that gonna put us so much further away from ever making things good again
You’re so close. What’s actually needed is that it comes pre-installed by default.
That’s what they don’t understand.
Every year is the year of the Linux desktop, that’s why we say it every year.
~random 4chan post I’m surely misquoting
W11 is like vista, all frills and no substance. Some people will skip the upgrade due to slowness (it’s slow with i7+16gb sometimes) and in case of users who use chrome only, ChromeOS flex or its siblings could be a solution.
