The 2nd isnt for hunting, I have a DE, it’s a collection piece and comes out when people want to shot it. It’s a completely waste of a gun. Its two big and way to heavy for anything daily carry. And no one I know carries one, hell I highly doubt anyone really carries one. They’re not cheap either. And 50cal muzzleloader season is just fine for hunting, it seems most of you got your knowledge about 50cal from movies… it’s a large round but it’s not going to blow a deer apart.