This is a good move. He’s doing what he can to temper Netanyahu’s attempts at genocide, while still protecting Israel.
I just hope it’s enough to stop the killings. That monster will sacrifice every man, woman and child to stay in power (and out of prison).
Just like all the other things Biden has done in this conflict, this is merely a symbolic gesture to say “don’t blame us if Israel flattens Rafah”.
The US has already provided huge amounts of unconditional military aid to Israel, and remains committed to continuing to do so. So Israel is free to shuffle around their ample resources internally to reach the same outcome.
Proof that protest works.
Go ahead, downvote because you’re mad that I’m right.
This had nothing to do with the protests.
Yo check your tether, friend. Reality can get away from you quick.
He’s gonna start calling you a propagandist soon.
Mmmkay. Prove it.
Can’t prove a negative. Prove it was a result of protests. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Also… I asked first.
I’ll be waiting.
Can’t prove a negative.
Nobody asked you to.
I asked first
No, you didn’t.
You said “proof that protests work”
Where is the proof. Provide it.
you said:
This had nothing to do with the protests.
Where is the proof. Provide it.
I asked first…
Can’t prove a negative. You should prove that protests cause this. Provide it or walk away.
Would you like protests to stop?
Of course he would. They work.
Ok, so will the protests stop now?
Has the genocide actually stopped or did Genocide Joe just move the goalposts?
I’m confused. The protests worked, right?
Could there be an entire election on the line here with the possibility of all this back firing?
Or are we just going to get ourselves more worked up?
And let’s be clear. Joe didn’t move the goal post, he ran right through the one Palestine supporters had erected.
(I’m not good at sports ball)
Has the genocide of Palestinians stopped?
I will vote for Biden when he genuinely stops the genocide, until that point I really don’t care what silly political posturing and shuffling around of bombs in warehouses and on logistics sheets Biden does. Even if we stop providing weapons right now of any kind, the entire apparatus of the IDF and indeed Israel itself is dependent on the US military industrial complex, the fact that Biden has not used that leverage to stop this genocide of Palestinians means he is complicit.
Genocide is my red line, and if Biden is going to be windy washy about coming back over that red line don’t blame people like me for not being satisfied.
It’s possible to be right about something (your take on the US complicity in Israel’s genocide") but also be completely wrong about how to stop it and the consequences of your response.
Because if you want the killing to stop sitting out an election or refusing to vote for Biden is not going to work out for you. You will be complicit in the killing of women, transgender people, brown people and more. Because - and I really don’t think I’m being hyperbolic here - those are the consequences of a Trump administration.
Far far worse is the simple fact that our chances of stopping Israel’s genocide go to zero under Trump. You think a Republican administration will stop it if you protest? At least with Biden you know it works and you know you can make a dent.
Far far worse is the simple fact that our chances of stopping Israel’s genocide go to zero under Trump. You think a Republican administration will stop it if you protest? At least with Biden you know it works and you know you can make a dent.
Why are you lecturing me about this? Stop wasting your breath on me.
It is very simple, if Biden wants my vote and votes from people like me, he can stop the genocide in Palestine.
Period.
Why are you lecturing me about this? Stop wasting your breath on me.
You have a peculiar conception of “lecturing”.
But do you want me to stop saying these things because you are immune to reason? You cannot possibly change your mind, no matter the argument or facts presented? No matter that Biden is himself simply does not have the power to unilaterally stop Israel’s actions?
I do have one simple question for you: What about the genocide that will happen under Trump? Do you prefer that? Do you prefer the murder of women, transgender people, gays and brown people over Palestinians?
Because the choice is incredibly binary: Less killing under Biden or more killing under Trump.
This should have been the move on day 10 of the invasion. And a white house insisting on peace negotiations and the release of hostages on both sides. He would have instantly been viewed favorably on this issue and likely wouldn’t have tanked his polling.
He would have instantly been viewed favorably on this issue and likely wouldn’t have tanked his polling.
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His polling didn’t tank in tandem with the Gaza genocide.
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Most Americans are either in support or ambivalent towards Israel in this conflict.
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Every poll I’ve seen asks the most important issue to voters, and it’s always the economy, with the Israel-Palestine conflict coming in near the bottom.
Israel is committing a genocide, to be clear. The moral thing is to, at minimum, stop supporting their genocide. But that’s not the same as saying that the Palestinian genocide is what brought Biden’s poll numbers down, or that it’s a silver bullet (or even an unambiguous net gain) electorally speaking.
Most Americans are either in support or ambivalent towards Israel in this conflict.
This either isn’t true or is only true when you’re including Republicans, whose opinions are irrelevant to Biden’s reelection. Dem/Lean Dem oppose Israel’s conduct 52-22, while Rep/Lean Rep support it 59-17 (they love blowing up Arabs).
I literally quoted your words right there: “Most Americans are either in support or ambivalent towards Israel in this conflict.” Solid attempt at moving the goalposts though.
Do you… do you NOT know that 22% is less than 78%?
Or do you think that “Biden is doing just the right amount of help towards Israel” means… support for Palestine?
The 52-22 you cited was whether Israel’s conduct was too far, not whether they supported Israel or Israeli aid in the conflict - as the other charts clearly demonstrate. But uh, you have fun disproving yourself with your own source.
You literally didn’t read anything I wrote. Your chart is for a different thing than you claimed. You claimed most Americans support or don’t care, I gave you two polls, one where that exact question was asked and it was just flat out untrue (which you ignored completely), and a second one to demonstrate that even in more favorable splits it was only true if you care what Republicans think. You apparently weren’t put off by a direct poll answering the direct question you asked and figured digging into a related question in the poll that at least gave you a shot at sticking to your wrong statement was a totally important thing to do.
“Do you support the president’s actions” is different than “do you approve of Israel in the conflict” with a whole lot of partisan defaulting and nothing in your wrong statement was about the president or about aid, not to mention “not sure” being an entirely different thing than “I don’t care”. This follow up trying to pretend people who think Israel is “going to far” isn’t the same as not supporting Israel in the conflict is just pathetic. Just fucking accept you were wrong and move on with your life rather than dedicating yourself to these sad follow-ups.
This could have been a one line “oh, I guess it’s changed from when I last looked”. Or even nothing at all.
You have fun in the world where “Do you support Israel’s current offensive” is the same as “Do you support Israel” or “Do you support continued aid to Israel”
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Agent Provacateurs Left Confused After Biden Does What They Want - “How do we make Biden look bad now?”
Biden was making himself look bad by supporting genocide. Hopefully this is indicative of more positive change to come.
I love to see optimistic Ensign Crab posts. It’s always a good sign
Cautiously optimistic.
