• bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    so is the line now that even though the biden administrations policies are wildly unpopular there’s no reason to be worried or examine support held for the party because the turnout will make up the difference?

    shoo!

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      8 months ago

      You were probably taught in school that democracy is a wondrous ideal thing.

      When you become an adult you realize democracy isn’t about voting for who you like the most. It’s about preventing bad people from getting power. You will never get to vote for some ideal perfect person, and even if you did the general muddiness of politics would prevent that person from being able to make the change they want.

      Yes, it’s “the line” now. But to be more accurate, it’s always been the line.

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        8 months ago

        Uhh…

        If you support Biden or hope that he’s elected this article should deeply disturb you.

        Polls are looking bad recently and instead of having a party line of “we’re gonna change, we recognize that no one wants to suffer under rising inflation while their government supports a genocide.” They’re saying “it’s fine that the polls are bad, our supporters will come out and vote for us no matter what”.

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          8 months ago

          I’m Canadian, and judging from history things tend to go badly for countries that neighbour fascist countries with a powerful military. So yeah I want Old Joe to continue to be President.

          But I’m not too worried about polling, they were off in 2016 because they people considered unlikely voters actually did vote, and they voted for Trump. So the statisticians compensated for this and they were much closer to the mark in 2020, but still somewhat under-counted Trump support. So they have to compensate some more. But my gut feeling is that a siginificant of the unlikely voters that turned out for Trump in the past two elections probably won’t turn out for him again. But statistics is a scientific thing, they can’t just mark Trump supporters as unlikely voters again because of a gut feeling. They have to follow the process and do the math without any gut feelings about it.

          So… the polls about support for Trump aren’t reliable at all. So no point in worrying about them one way or another.

          The real concern right now is how young people are pushed into some strange politics by social media. The Olds are going to vote the way they always do, and there’s less of them with each passing day. The kids are getting sucked into accelerationist doomerism so who knows what will happen there. Constant emotional manipulation on social media can send people down some dark paths. I used to think the kids are alright, but I’m not so sure anymore.

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        8 months ago

        Yes, it’s “the line” now. But to be more accurate, it’s always been the line.

        You’re not wrong, but also, when one of the parties purposely manipulates your vote by using the premise that you described, because they have a bad candidate, then they’re no better than the other party that are the “bad guys”.

        There are more than just two candidates available in the whole United States of America that could run for president.

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          8 months ago

          There are more than just two candidates available in the whole United States of America that could run for president

          Yeah and they either decided not to run or were eliminated in the primaries. Ideally I think a ranked choice system would be better than a primary system, but the primaries are a somewhat reasonable approximation, albeit an antiquated one.

          The thing about democracy is the winner is the person that gets the most votes, not decided by solely your vote. And you can’t force people to run. Bernie Sanders ran in the 2020 primary and lost to Joe Biden. He decided not to run in this primary. You can be bitter about this, maybe come up with some conspiracy theories about the DNC somehow putting Bernie in duress to keep out of the race. Or do the same for anyone else you prefer.

          But the fact is the imperfect run off system of the US electoral system determined it’s Biden vs. Trump again. You can be emotional about how you wanted something different, but it’s not going to change anything. You can be angry at other voters for not choosing different candidates. Still not going to change anything.

          And Joe Biden is legit the best President of my lifetime. Not something you’ll hear from content decided by social media algorithms. He’s done a lot despite some bad actors in congress, and he could do more if there were just a few more Dem Senators and a majority in the House. Only criticism I really hear is from either republicans and kids that are ageist and/or learned about foreign policy from TikTok.

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    8 months ago

    The more conservative BS you let the DNC get away with, the more you back Trump. Im not gonna vote for conservatives no matter how bad one of em is.

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      There has never been a wider gap between the Democrats and the Republicans than there is right now.

      I get it you want to prove your hardcore che guevara t-shirt socialist cred. But you want to be credible at all you gotta at least sometimes look at the facts.

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          8 months ago

          Perfect example. Trump says he wants to deport people that were born in the US (which obviously isn’t legal). Call in the military, shoot people attempting to cross the border. Texas is putting barbed wire on the border, the the Federal government (that’s Biden) is opposing it. They want the border completely shut down and people of certain ethnicity banned.

          The Dems want additional judges to process asylum applications faster. Which is good for everyone. There are some bad things in the bill, but Biden doesn’t have to enforce them and the courts will likely overturn them like they did with Trump’s Muslim ban. Getting the additional judges and staff needed to deal with the backlog of asylum claims is super important and will lessen the hardship on immigrants seeking asylum.

          So explain to me how trying to get asylum claims processed faster is exactly the same thing as Trump’s Muslim ban? Or building a wall? Or shooting people?

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            8 months ago

            Its a federal border. That barbed wire is his barbed wire. This is his presidency, this is how he is running the border.

            There are some bad things in the bill, but Biden doesn’t have to enforce them and the courts will likely overturn them like they did with Trump’s Muslim ban.

            You do realize i have absolutely zero trust in Biden and this hinges on blind faith in Biden. Or at least youre arguing it does, i dont think Biden has any ability to control the bad things like fewer asylum approvals. Democrats, including Biden, have been using the same rhetoric as republicans, actively appealing to conservatives, assuring them they want a “stronger border”

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              8 months ago

              Its a federal border. That barbed wire is his barbed wire.

              You haven’t been following the news. The Texas Governor put the barbed wire there. The Supreme Court upheld that he was able to do so(because of course they did). Biden is trying to remove it.

              Maybe try diversifying your news sources beyond TikTok.

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    8 months ago

    Well, this is a fun discussion!

    …Anyways, I like to think that the title implies you’re supposed to vote more than once lol

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      8 months ago

      It also implies that not voting for Trump somehow counts more than voting for Trump does