In a Truth Social post, Trump attacked Biden − and Hamas − by accusing the president of “taking the side of these terrorists, just like he has sided with the Radical Mobs taking over our college campuses.”
Oh, the Nazis are angry that a genocide is being paused? What a shocker!
Until very recently, centrist Democrats were calling anyone who suggested withholding weapons russian chinese child shill bot tankie fascists.
I think you mean Republicans. Current polls show 58% of them are still in support of Israel.
https://zeteo.com/p/gaza-israel-genocide-poll-ceasefire-us-voters
I know what I meant, and so do you. Of course Republicans are dogshit.
But I’m not gonna pretend that centrists weren’t screaming abuse at people who opposed genocide until three days ago.
The only pushback I know of was regarding protesting at the polls. Otherwise, pro-Palestinian protests have been largely popular on Lemmy. Are you being sincere, or attempting to gaslight?
What distilled fucking hogwash. The fact of the matter is, anytime anyone said that Biden should stop supporting genocide, centrists would immediately assume that the person saying it was advocating for voting for Trump or not voting at all.
And you could say you were voting for Biden over and over and they wouldn’t believe you and continue the abuse.
And you’re seriously gonna sit there and lie about it. You’re gonna pretend that centrists haven’t spent the past few months being utterly vicious toward anyone who said that Biden should stop supporting genocide? And you’re accusing me of gaslighting?
Tell me again how we totally left Iraq in 2007.
No, what I saw people bristling at mostly were either 1) injecting “yeah, well Biden sucks because genocide” into conversations about Trump or about the election or something in that arena, or 2) people jumping into conversations and rattling off low-effort posts with things like “Genocide Joe” namecalling or just purposeless negativity.
I haven’t seen many cases where people have pushed back on people who appeared to be trying to have honest discussions and didn’t appear to be trying to justify supporting Trump.
The general feeling has absolutely been that Biden needs to stop fucking supporting genocide (although people have also definitely tried to say how he’s doing the best he can given limited influence and all options being shitty in some way, or how he’s using the weapons shipments as bargaining chips, or whatever).
Guess if you never speak out against genocide, you never get pushback for speaking out against genocide.
This is what abstaining from voting will invite for protesters and Palestinians.
We tried to tell them.
Future tense. We should continue to try. I won’t judge someone who votes for Trump with conviction. The voter disenfranchisement manipulation on Lemmy is what needs to be challenged. It’s an unethical disengagement strategy, historically used by Republicans to disenfranchise Democratic voters.
Lemmy didn’t cause this:
No it didn’t. Those protests are driving the change we keep seeing in the news, and I applaud them for it. They wouldn’t do anything but get arrested and vilified if Trump were in office, as he said in the posted article.
[Biden is] ”taking the side of these terrorists, just like he has sided with the Radical Mobs taking over our college campuses."
I don’t think Macklemore is on Lemmy.
We can offer evidence and opinions, but people are gonna vote as individuals, as they should. Motivating others to vote for Biden was always going to be an uphill struggle because of his age, but with the ongoing genocide… whew… it just makes people defensive and hardens their resolve to defend their position.
That’s a map.
We’re discussing voter manipulation and encouraged disengagement of voters.
Stop being dense.
It’s a map of potential voters that conceivably won’t vote for Biden. Which is entirely relevant because despite the success of swaying voters on Lemmy, it is still a drop in the bucket compared to overall disengagement.
The point- When Biden loses in November, it will be erroneous to blame it on the small number of voters on Lemmy. The blame will rest on Biden and the DNC, not the small numbers of voters on Lemmy.
I’m sure centrists have some conspiracy theory for why the genocide they supported for so long isn’t as popular as they wanted it to be.
The one in Ukraine? Those tankies seem to be FINE with it.
We haven’t been sending weapons to Russia in order to commit genocide.
Thank you for the demonstration of exactly what I was talking about. Centrists can’t imagine that Netanyahu’s genocide isn’t as popular with everyone else as it is with centrists, so they have to pretend that there are tankies behind every rock.
Trump and Congressional Republicans sat on foreign aid for six months and now they have the balls to criticize
They didn’t just sit. On multiple occasions they attempted to draft legislation to provide Israel with aid independent of Ukraine and Taiwan. Biden said he’d veto any attempts to pass a standalone Israel aid bill in February, and yet they tried again after the Iran retaliation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/05/joe-biden-veto-republican-standalone-israel-aid-bill
Actually, they demanded that all foreign aid was wrapped into one package and border security be added. So, there was a long negotiation on border security. The Senate got through that, passed it and sent it to the House. Trump then told the House Republicans that he wanted to use border security as a campaign issue. So Johnson sat on it another three months, created his own bill without border security, and passed it. The Senate followed, and put it on Biden’s desk.
This election couldn’t come sooner.
If that’s how you feel, you’re in for a bad next four and half years.
I think Biden will get back in. That will be far better than hearing from Trump anymore…
Now you know it’s the right thing to do.
